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    VC = Vigilant Cycling

    We've talked about the relationship between vigilance and VC (obeying the rules) before.

    I don't want to take this thread up in A&S off topic, so I'm starting this one, but if you read the OP you'll find an excellent example of how paying attention is often required in order to be able to consistently obey the rules of the road. In this case, these guys were not paying attention, and, so, were not able to notice a stop sign in time to stop for it.

    The point here is to counter Robert Hurst's criticism of EC/VC that we don't emphasize vigilance. The reason for that is that vigilance is inherent in obeying the rules of the road: if you're not paying careful attention for potential hazards, you cannot consistently obey the rules.

    VC may stand for Vigilant Cycling as well as for Vehicular Cycling.

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    Other things that VC can stand for

    Value-Added Cycling for those that think in business terms
    Vehement Cycling for those that are full of zeal for their technique
    Verbal Cycling for those that just talk about cycling on the internet
    Vestigial Cycling for those that consider the fine points of the technique a superfluous carry-over from former times
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    Vegan Cycling-- for those who don't consume animal products

    Verboten Cycling-- for those who want to feel like a rebel

    Varmint Cycling-- for those who like to ride with possums and such

    vagabond Cycling-- kind of like touring, but you make a lifestyle out of it.

    Vivaldi Cycling-- while listening to "The Four Seasons"

    Vermicelli Cycling-- Cycling and eating Pasta at the same time
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    Vicious cycling, like the way these arguments go 'round...
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    Nice double entendre
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    By the way, Casque Tete, it appears you are using "paying attention" and "vigilance" interchangeably in your OP. Am I mistaken? If I am, would you highlight the big difference between the two, in the terms of you OP?

    Paying attention and vigilance are not the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeytoun
    By the way, Casque Tete, it appears you are using "paying attention" and "vigilance" interchangeably in your OP. Am I mistaken? If I am, would you highlight the big difference between the two, in the terms of you OP?
    Vigilance is paying attention over time, with particular attention paid to potential danger.

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    So how does VC emphasize vigilance?

    Or is vigilance just an implied stepping stone to VC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helmet Head
    VC may stand for Vigilant Cycling as well as for Vehicular Cycling.
    Some VC were not just weekend peloton riding blabbermouths.

    http://www.transchool.eustis.army.mil/museum/VCBIKE.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helmet Head
    Vigilance is paying attention over time, with particular attention paid to potential danger.
    I thought that cycling was a relatively non-hazardous sport (some here say so). If so, why the need to be so vigilant?

    John
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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
    Some VC were not just weekend peloton riding blabbermouths.

    http://www.transchool.eustis.army.mil/museum/VCBIKE.htm
    I brought up this connotation of "VC" for US ex-military from the 1960s and 1970s, and I don't think people realized what I was talking about. Thanks for sharing this link.

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    verbosa craposa disorder.

    characterized by delusions and paranoid thought processes.
    "Evidence, anecdote and methodology all support planning for roadway bike traffic."

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    Quote Originally Posted by John C. Ratliff
    I thought that cycling was a relatively non-hazardous sport (some here say so). If so, why the need to be so vigilant?

    John
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Fagerlin
    I think Vainglorious Cycling is a better fit.
    Every time we let a vehicle pass there is a little bit of compromise. But compromise allows the city to function and allows cyclists to function in the city. The trick is not to eliminate compromise but to learn how to work safely within it.

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    Vicarious Cycling. The kind one does from the comfort of your computer chair, or your automobile, or your RV.
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    but head you talk repeatedly about NOT following the rules of the road if it doesn't benefit your riding..... why the contradictions?

    and like diane states above, a lot of this VC blather is vicarious bicycling, engaged in front of a computer screen by a sometimes, part timer, weekend club fred rider, and emphatically NOT a transportational bicyclist.
    "Evidence, anecdote and methodology all support planning for roadway bike traffic."

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbhikes
    Vicarious Cycling. The kind one does from the comfort of your computer chair, or your automobile, or your RV.

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    Helmie,

    Do any of the VC publications of John Forrester specifically highlight the need for vigilance?

    Or is vigilance just an implied stepping stone to VC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeytoun
    Helmie,

    Do any of the VC publications of John Forrester specifically highlight the need for vigilance?

    Or is vigilance just an implied stepping stone to VC?
    I have frequently written that the cyclist who understands and practices vehicular cycling, because he understands the pattern by which traffic should operate, is well equipped to detect the motions of a vehicle that indicate that it is being driven in a non-vehicular manner. Therefore, such a cyclist is more able to take evasive action than is a person who, not understanding how traffic should operate, does not detect the non-vehicular operation until much later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Forester
    I have frequently written that the cyclist who understands and practices vehicular cycling, because he understands the pattern by which traffic should operate, is well equipped to detect the motions of a vehicle that indicate that it is being driven in a non-vehicular manner. Therefore, such a cyclist is more able to take evasive action than is a person who, not understanding how traffic should operate, does not detect the non-vehicular operation until much later.
    Forester has written;
    Therefore it is so;
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    I have frequently written that the cyclist who understands and practices vehicular cycling, because he understands the pattern by which traffic should operate, is well equipped to detect the motions of a vehicle that indicate that it is being driven in a non-vehicular manner. Therefore, such a cyclist is more able to take evasive action than is a person who, not understanding how traffic should operate, does not detect the non-vehicular operation until much later.
    What about a cyclist who "understands" traffic patterns, but does not practice VC?

    Comparing a vehicular cyclist who also understand traffic patterns to a non-vehicular cyclist who does not understand traffic is like comparing the test scores of a smart kid with a pencil and a dumb kid with a pen, and saying that a pencil is the factor that causes the better test score.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeytoun
    What about a cyclist who "understands" traffic patterns, but does not practice VC?

    Comparing a vehicular cyclist who also understand traffic patterns to a non-vehicular cyclist who does not understand traffic is like comparing the test scores of a smart kid with a pencil and a dumb kid with a pen, and saying that a pencil is the factor that causes the better test score.
    Then, when riding on the roadway, he is riding dangerously. I rather doubt that a cyclist who understands how traffic works is then going to consciously violate the rules of the road that he recognizes endanger him. Oh, well, we know of the scofflaw cyclists who deliberately violate the rules of the road in the belief that their superior competence will enable them to avoid the dangers so created. Bike messengers are one example, but there are some others, including ILTB according to his own confession, and some pseudo-racing groups which have become notorious.

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    Oh, well, we know of the scofflaw cyclists who deliberately violate the rules of the road in the belief that their superior competence will enable them to avoid the dangers so created.
    It appears to work though:

    Quote Originally Posted by RobertHurst
    the accident/injury rate of the entire population of Boston messengers, including all the hapless, ridiculous rookies, was in the same ballpark as the Moritz rate for the highly experienced LAB member. That should tell you something about the veteran messengers.
    And that's my point. In science you need to isolate a variable to show causation. Does VC show an improvement in safety between identical riders (same understanding of traffic, same athletic levels, same bicycles) who ride differently (say, on VC, one "inferior-style", and one "scofflaw-style")?
    It hasn't.
    So, scientifically, riding VC cannot be said to cause an improvement in safety.
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