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    traffic & motor pacing on multilane arterial

    just a little question from my ride home tonight- nightime, saturday night, motorpacing traffic moving 30-ish (MPH) on 4 lane one way road thru downtown. red lights allow me to move ahead of the pack in the vacant lanes and get the jump on traffic off the greens. taxicabs, drunks out for the night, buses.



    the potential of being overlooked by drivers is real, the potential of being merged into by driver in next lane over is present.

    what does the savvy vehicular cyclist do on a multilane road when they and traffic is moving at the same pace? always avoid being alongside another vehicle due potential hooking merge or lane change?

    being at near maximum speed, do you slow down to avoid being alongside another vehicle, wiggle waggle, weave to get noticed, smile and wave, steely eyed glares?

    just a little question without any right anwser. I know how I ride this type of road, during the day or at night. (I'm a traffic jammer, and pick it up consistently to 29MPH in sprints off the stops....)

    what do YOU do when you're moving as fast as traffic on a multi laned arterial? ride like a vehicle, take advantage of your bike and its unique vehicular characteristics, or pretend you're a tractor?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    being at near maximum speed, do you slow down to avoid being alongside another vehicle, wiggle waggle, weave to get noticed, smile and wave, steely eyed glares?

    just a little question without any right anwser. I know how I ride this type of road, during the day or at night. (I'm a traffic jammer, and pick it up consistently to 29MPH in sprints off the stops....)
    You must be a pro-cyclist then, with that consistant speed. Which team are you riding with.
    Or is that just more "Bek funny statistics".

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    dude, bugger off.

    I pull it up to 29MPH in a sprint off the stops. consistently. I'm not riding 29MPH all over town, just a 'pop the stop' sprint speed when I put the hammer down.

    what's your problem, never seen a speedy urban cyclist? used to your own, slower performance, CBHI?
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    Now, back on topic-

    - nightime, saturday night, motorpacing traffic moving 30-ish (MPH) on 4 lane one way road thru downtown. taxicabs, drunks out for the night, buses.

    the potential of being overlooked by drivers is real, the potential of being merged into by driver in next lane over is present.

    what does the savvy vehicular cyclist do on a multilane road when they and traffic is moving at the same pace? always avoid being alongside another vehicle due potential hooking merge or lane change?

    being at near maximum speed (meaning its difficult to pull ahead of a car that is alongslide you)- do you slow down to avoid being alongside another vehicle, wiggle waggle, weave to get noticed, smile and wave, steely eyed glares?

    what do YOU do when you're moving as fast as traffic on a multi laned arterial? ride like a vehicle, take advantage of your bike and its unique vehicular characteristics, or pretend you're a tractor?
    "Evidence, anecdote and methodology all support planning for roadway bike traffic."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    Now, back on topic-

    - nightime, saturday night, motorpacing traffic moving 30-ish (MPH) on 4 lane one way road thru downtown. taxicabs, drunks out for the night, buses.

    the potential of being overlooked by drivers is real, the potential of being merged into by driver in next lane over is present.

    what does the savvy vehicular cyclist do on a multilane road when they and traffic is moving at the same pace? always avoid being alongside another vehicle due potential hooking merge or lane change?

    being at near maximum speed (meaning its difficult to pull ahead of a car that is alongslide you)- do you slow down to avoid being alongside another vehicle, wiggle waggle, weave to get noticed, smile and wave, steely eyed glares?

    what do YOU do when you're moving as fast as traffic on a multi laned arterial? ride like a vehicle, take advantage of your bike and its unique vehicular characteristics, or pretend you're a tractor?
    Well I don't do 29MPH... my sprints rather top out at about 26MPH, and with that speed I can't do the 35MPH that is posted on the flat areas of my commute, but that speed is fast enough to allow me to keep up with motorists from light to light. Frankly I simply ride to the left edge of the right tire track and hold my position on the road, which is lined with parked cars and has no cycling facilities what so ever. Now this seems to irritate the occasional driver. They pass while expressing their grief in some manner or another... and I always catch them at the next light. I wait right behind their vehicle at the light and look right in their rear view mirror.

    So in effect I "ride like a vehicle..." I don't filter forward, so I am not taking advantage of the size of the bike. I simply work to hold my place in the traffic. BTW I do the exact same thing (except I don't catch the motorists) when commuting with my heavy bike and panniers and move at 13MPH vice 26MPH. No different.

    If I felt that there were a threat of being merged into, I would probably ride in the left tire track to improve my visibility to motorists that might attempt to merge into me.

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    I stay in the lane centerish (left or right of exact center) and avoid riding in blind spots and avoid riding in position where if a driver suddenly merged right they would clip me. This means adjusting speed between 27-31mph to stay in the sweet spot, instead of steady 29mph

    Al

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    So Bek, You act like the stupid JAMs that can't figure out that it does them no good to race from red light to red light.
    I adjust my speed for the light sequence so that I am able to keep a consistant speed over several blocks, reaching lights just after they have turned green and passing through the intersection at speed.
    Makes far more sense.

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    you think I don't adjust my speed to take advantage of the timing of the greens?
    Last edited by Bekologist; 06-10-07 at 07:39 PM.
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    Apparently not, with your "consistant 29 mph" riding.

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    Apparently not, with your "consistant 29 mph" riding.
    Are you off your meds again?
    I am a mutated sig Virus. Please put me in your sig so that I can continue to replicate and mutate, blah!.

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    me...I like to get centre and draft the car in front of me. When I notice the driver see me in the rear view mirror I'll give a thumbs up to them. Volvo wagons and minivans are especially awesome for this. Buses are also great drafting fodder, but they can be unpredictable unless you know their route really well. Or match the pace and get within a foot of the passenger window or less and peek inside....I've been known to be so "in" the traffic as to have to lean so the bars don't clip the mirrors as i pass them. Drafting and can be a blast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    just a little question from my ride home tonight- nightime, saturday night, motorpacing traffic moving 30-ish (MPH) on 4 lane one way road thru downtown. red lights allow me to move ahead of the pack in the in vacant lanes and get the jump on traffic off the greens. taxicabs, drunks out for the night, buses.



    the potential of being overlooked by drivers is real, the potential of being merged into by driver in next lane over is present.

    what does the savvy vehicular cyclist do on a multilane road when they and traffic is moving at the same pace? always avoid being alongside another vehicle due potential hooking merge or lane change?

    being at near maximum speed, do you slow down to avoid being alongside another vehicle, wiggle waggle, weave to get noticed, smile and wave, steely eyed glares?

    just a little question without any right anwser. I know how I ride this type of road, during the day or at night. (I'm a traffic jammer, and pick it up consistently to 29MPH in sprints off the stops....)

    what do YOU do when you're moving as fast as traffic on a multi laned arterial? ride like a vehicle, take advantage of your bike and its unique vehicular characteristics, or pretend you're a tractor?
    In situations like this where I can keep up with traffic most if not all of the time, I ride just as I would if I were on a motorcycle. I pick a centerish conspicuous position, monitor to the rear, and filter forward by splitting lanes when safe, reasonable and appropriate.

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    nice canned response, head. when was the last time you motorpaced traffic at night?

    i think my query was more along the lines of:

    -use only one lane, or all lanes on a multi lane arterial to flow with traffic?

    do your methods change between daytime and night? are you more cautious motorpacing traffic at night?

    do you avoid riding alongside vehicles, even when not in an edge lane, to avoid merging and lane changing traffic that might not notice you?

    or do you accept the potential a driver might not recognize a bicycle right alongside their car prior to changing lanes?

    do you 'charge' the traffic and use lane changes to advance on traffic, or stick it in one lane of traffic?

    I KNOW how I ride it, just wondering what everyone else does.
    "Evidence, anecdote and methodology all support planning for roadway bike traffic."

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeytoun
    Are you off your meds again?
    Just noting that Bek appears to be.

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    ha ha. ask a question of the forum, get berated by some slow guy in Hawaii.
    "Evidence, anecdote and methodology all support planning for roadway bike traffic."

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    Yea Bek, we know who does the name calling around here.

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    who, john forester?

    obviously, CBHI, aside from doubting a rider can pull it up to near 30 MPH in a sprint, and thinking you've got a lock on the timing of green lights while riding, you have nothing to add to this thread. nice...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    nice canned response, head. when was the last time you motorpaced traffic at night?

    i think my query was more along the lines of:

    -use only one lane, or all lanes on a multi lane arterial to flow with traffic?
    If there was a long line in the right lane and no one in the left lane and that long line was going to keep me from making the next light, I'd have no problems using the left hand lane. It's not a common occurence for me but I've done it during Christmastime traffic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    do your methods change between daytime and night? are you more cautious motorpacing traffic at night?
    Not really. I'm a little more cautious at night only because it's tougher to see potholes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    do you avoid riding alongside vehicles, even when not in an edge lane, to avoid merging and lane changing traffic that might not notice you?
    Yes, same as I would if driving a car although on a bike I have more room between me and traffic in the next lane and the curb so I'd be a little less concerned about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    or do you accept the potential a driver might not recognize a bicycle right alongside their car prior to changing lanes?
    I accept it as much as I would while driving a car, meaning that I'm prepared for it but do what I can to make it a non-issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    do you 'charge' the traffic and use lane changes to advance on traffic, or stick it in one lane of traffic?

    I KNOW how I ride it, just wondering what everyone else does.
    I certainly wouldn't "charge" traffic if I knew I'd only be getting ahead of a few people and then stopping in front of them at the next light. I don't do it while driving and I won't bother doing it while cycling even if I could. It serves no point. If I was missing lights due to traffic slowing me down, then I'd filter if I thought it would be less aggravating than just sitting in the pack and enjoying the draft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    who, john forester?

    obviously, CBHI, aside from doubting a rider can pull it up to near 30 MPH in a sprint, and thinking you've got a lock on the timing of green lights while riding, you have nothing to add to this thread. nice...
    Yet your thread adds nothing to the forum. Simply another attempt to try and pump your chest and put others down.

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    derision will get you nowhere, CBHI.

    I'm asking if others that post here take advantage of several lanes of road while motorpacing traffic, and if their methods change at night due the reduced visibility.
    "Evidence, anecdote and methodology all support planning for roadway bike traffic."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    nice canned response, head. when was the last time you motorpaced traffic at night?
    I don't think I have ever motorpaced at night. I do draft off of cars in the daylight in certain situations, however.

    i think my query was more along the lines of:

    -use only one lane, or all lanes on a multi lane arterial to flow with traffic?

    do your methods change between daytime and night? are you more cautious motorpacing traffic at night?
    Yes, I'm more cautious at night, and I don't draft cars at night.

    do you avoid riding alongside vehicles, even when not in an edge lane, to avoid merging and lane changing traffic that might not notice you?
    Yes, I avoid riding alongside vehicles, day or night.

    or do you accept the potential a driver might not recognize a bicycle right alongside their car prior to changing lanes?

    do you 'charge' the traffic and use lane changes to advance on traffic, or stick it in one lane of traffic?

    I KNOW how I ride it, just wondering what everyone else does.
    I'm generally more conservative at night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    derision will get you nowhere
    Yet you continue the practice.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    nice canned response, head. when was the last time you motorpaced traffic at night?
    -------------------------------------------------

    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    I'm asking if others that post here take advantage of several lanes of road while motorpacing traffic, and if their methods change at night due the reduced visibility.
    I thought from the OP you where asking,
    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    what do YOU do when you're moving as fast as traffic on a multi laned arterial? ride like a vehicle, take advantage of your bike and its unique vehicular characteristics, or pretend you're a tractor?
    Oh, sorry, is the tractor thing more derision?

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    'tractor' is commonly bandied about in this forum by some of the foresterites as a vehicle to emulate, CBHI.

    what's got your chamois in a bunch, CBHI? upset at me for some reason, a vehicular cyclist that advocates for bike infrastructure? you do sound a bit off your meds, dude...

    you understand the analogy I was making, don't you?

    do other riders stick, ploddingly, to one outside lane like a slow moving tractor, or weave all lanes of an arterial while keeping up with -motorpacing- traffic, taking advantage of the unique operating characteristics of the bicycle?

    and does ones' riding style change at night due to the reduced visibility?
    "Evidence, anecdote and methodology all support planning for roadway bike traffic."

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    Just having a little fun playing your typical game Bek.

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    can't quite say I know what your problem is, CBHI - and stop derailling the thread, are you completly childish? unlike some that like to post to this forum, I actually do ride transportationally in heavy traffic, at night, versus armchair cycling, and have some valid speculation and experience to give the forum.

    if you think calling out an armchair rider for being an armchair rider equates to your childish display belittling my sprint speed and your other rants, you're mistaken.
    Last edited by Bekologist; 06-10-07 at 11:20 PM.
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