Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > > >

Vehicular Cycling (VC) No other subject has polarized the A&S members like VC has. Here's a place to share, debate, and educate.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 09-16-07, 04:16 PM   #1
Buz Carragher
Newbie
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Bikes:
Posts: 2
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Hit and run in Hawaii, big island

March 3, '07 hit by large pick-up truck and knocked out. Lots of injuries, coma 6 days, 2 weeks ICU. Police officer did not charge driver he said I fell and had road rash. Helmet crushed in rear but no body damage to rear, back or shoulders. Could not damage helmet by striking ground and not hit back unless LINDA BLAIR,

Police refuse to issue report and sight Hawaii Privacy Laws, only redacted report telling me who I am.
Help.
Buz Carragher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-07, 01:33 PM   #2
invisiblehand
Part-time epistemologist
 
invisiblehand's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Washington, DC
Bikes: Jamis Nova, Bike Friday NWT, STRIDA, Austro Daimler Vent Noir, Haluzak Horizon, Salsa La Raza, Hollands Tourer, Bike Friday tikit
Posts: 5,573
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 21 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buz Carragher View Post
March 3, '07 hit by large pick-up truck and knocked out. Lots of injuries, coma 6 days, 2 weeks ICU. Police officer did not charge driver he said I fell and had road rash. Helmet crushed in rear but no body damage to rear, back or shoulders. Could not damage helmet by striking ground and not hit back unless LINDA BLAIR,

Police refuse to issue report and sight Hawaii Privacy Laws, only redacted report telling me who I am.
Help.
There is a bigger audience in the regular A&S forum. I would post this there instead since this is not directly linked to vehicular cycling.

I would talk to a lawyer.
__________________
A narrative on bicycle driving.
invisiblehand is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-07, 04:28 PM   #3
DCCommuter
52-week commuter
 
DCCommuter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Washington, DC
Bikes: Redline Conquest, Cannonday, Specialized, RANS
Posts: 1,929
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
You need to talk to a lawyer.
__________________
The United States of America is the only democratic nation in the world to deny citizens living in the nation's capital representation in the national legislature. District residents have no vote in either the U.S. Senate or U.S. House of Representatives. www.dcvote.org
DCCommuter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-07, 05:32 PM   #4
LittleBigMan
Sumanitu taka owaci
 
LittleBigMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Bikes:
Posts: 8,945
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Get a reputable personal injury lawyer. They know the game, and play to win.
__________________
No worries
LittleBigMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-07, 08:07 PM   #5
Bekologist
totally louche
 
Bekologist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: A land that time forgot
Bikes: the ever shifting stable loaded with comfortable road bikes and city and winter bikes
Posts: 18,025
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
CBHI, any input?

Is Hawaii a 'no fault' state? are drivers required to have PIP coverage? What's up with this rider being unable to glean info from the authorities?

is your state that hostile towards bicyclists that they are prevented in attempts at recovering damages in traffic incidents because of 'privacy laws?'

what gives, CB?

Last edited by Bekologist; 09-21-07 at 11:26 PM.
Bekologist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-07, 07:29 PM   #6
LittleBigMan
Sumanitu taka owaci
 
LittleBigMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Bikes:
Posts: 8,945
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
CB Hawaii has posted continuously on the unfriendliness of his state towards cyclists.

Are you just now getting this? What gives, Mr. Bekologist?

Carrying Bike Lane Wars to the extreme?

I thought you were a friend to cyclists everywhere....? (I guess capitalizing on tragedy goes on all around.)
__________________
No worries

Last edited by LittleBigMan; 09-21-07 at 07:38 PM.
LittleBigMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-07, 11:25 PM   #7
Bekologist
totally louche
 
Bekologist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: A land that time forgot
Bikes: the ever shifting stable loaded with comfortable road bikes and city and winter bikes
Posts: 18,025
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
WOAH, lil' bigg.

i'm asking legitimate questions.... is or isn't Hawaii a no fault state? does Hawaii have mandated or optional PIP insurance coverage? why would a cyclist injured in a collision with a vehicle be unable to contact the drivers' insurance company?

your attempt at smearing me is lousy, lil big man. CBHI is the most active hawaii poster to the A&S forum. I'm not picking sides, dude - there is no 'war' in my post.
Bekologist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-07, 11:44 PM   #8
EXCALIBUR
Proud To Be An American
 
EXCALIBUR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: USA
Bikes: 2004 Giant Cypress SX 2006 Giant OCR 3
Posts: 363
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Hawaii is a no fault state.
EXCALIBUR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-07, 01:57 AM   #9
CB HI
Cycle Year Round
 
CB HI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Honolulu, HI
Bikes:
Posts: 11,963
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 197 Post(s)
Just got back from work on the Big Island, so tonight is the first chance to read the thread.

Hawaii is a no fault state and requires motorist to carry insurance. More important, state law requires motor insurance to cover personal injury to a pedestrian or cyclist, regardless of fault. Property damage depends on who was at fault.

As to privacy laws prohibiting the release of a traffic accident report, that is pure BS. Most likely a case of a Hawaii County Police Officer, from a small town knowing the motorist and feeding such BS to the cyclist to try and protect the driver. People involved in a traffic accident are not required to call the police unless there is bodily injury or property damage greater than $3000. They are required to exchange identification and insurance information if police are not called. If 911 cannot be reached, and there is personal injury to a cyclist, the motorist is required to transport the cyclist to medical care. When police are called to a traffic accident, they are required to record ID and insurance information to be included in the police report. Both parties are allowed to get a copy of that report in full without any court order.

To the OP, don’t put up with the BS. Demand a copy of the full report and record names of any police or county clerk that give you any BS. Then get a lawyer and take action against the county and the motorist.

We have our share of "Bubba Cops" here, as well as the good cops.

Last edited by CB HI; 09-22-07 at 02:09 AM.
CB HI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-24-07, 12:35 AM   #10
Buz Carragher
Newbie
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Bikes:
Posts: 2
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Accident

Thanks for your input, it helps. Police officer Smith apparently accepted the motorist version of events. As I was unconcious I could not add my side of events and was unable to get any info. Since my head cleared a little I've found the 3rd car to arrive with college students who saw that I was not breathing and restored my air way. People in first two cars were just watching me laying on ground not taking in air. Reported by students they gave differing stories male in first vehicle said I was just laying along the side of the road, female said she saw me fall. Third person gave another verson. Student belive they were lying. Students gave tag number to paramedics, don't know if they gave number to police.

Have contacted Wm. Lawson attorney from Hawaii and asked him for help. Thanks,

AskBuz@salisburyCycle.com
Buz Carragher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-07, 11:08 PM   #11
Helmet Head
Banned.
 
Helmet Head's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: San Diego
Bikes:
Posts: 13,075
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
LBM - I gotta side with Beck on this one. I don't see any hostility towards CB HI on his part. It reads like a genuine attempt to get some legit info from CB HI, and he seems to be ready to accept its veracity.
Helmet Head is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-07, 11:09 PM   #12
LittleBigMan
Sumanitu taka owaci
 
LittleBigMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Bikes:
Posts: 8,945
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buz Carragher View Post
Thanks for your input, it helps. Police officer Smith apparently accepted the motorist version of events. As I was unconcious I could not add my side of events and was unable to get any info. Since my head cleared a little I've found the 3rd car to arrive with college students who saw that I was not breathing and restored my air way. People in first two cars were just watching me laying on ground not taking in air. Reported by students they gave differing stories male in first vehicle said I was just laying along the side of the road, female said she saw me fall. Third person gave another verson. Student belive they were lying. Students gave tag number to paramedics, don't know if they gave number to police.

Have contacted Wm. Lawson attorney from Hawaii and asked him for help. Thanks,

AskBuz@salisburyCycle.com
Keep us updated, hope you heal quickly, friend...
__________________
No worries
LittleBigMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-07, 11:13 PM   #13
LittleBigMan
Sumanitu taka owaci
 
LittleBigMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Bikes:
Posts: 8,945
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Helmet Head View Post
LBM - I gotta side with Beck on this one. I don't see any hostility towards CB HI on his part. It reads like a genuine attempt to get some legit info from CB HI, and he seems to be ready to accept its veracity.
I won't muddy this good thread beyond suggesting you ask CB-HI how he feels about it. Beyond that, I bow out.

This is Buz's thread.
__________________
No worries

Last edited by LittleBigMan; 09-28-07 at 11:26 PM.
LittleBigMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:14 AM.