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    Well the one I'm thinking of they've taken a four lane *** barrel, created a path on each side, added on/off turn lanes and created a single drive lane for each direction. Normally that would sound terrible, but it's through a residential part of town albeit one of the main roads through town. Hit it spot on they did, traffic has slowed considerably. It used to be a terrible place for the kids to walk home from school, as there are schools all over the place within a block or two of this street. The path isn't a great design for riding..but as a calmer of cars?, BINGO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRaffic Jammer View Post
    Well the one I'm thinking of they've taken a four lane *** barrel, created a path on each side, added on/off turn lanes and created a single drive lane for each direction. Normally that would sound terrible, but it's through a residential part of town albeit one of the main roads through town. Hit it spot on they did, traffic has slowed considerably. It used to be a terrible place for the kids to walk home from school, as there are schools all over the place within a block or two of this street. The path isn't a great design for riding..but as a calmer of cars?, BINGO.
    Well, that's a lot different from the typical removal of onstreet parking and adding bike lanes, which usually increases speeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helmet Head View Post
    Well, that's a lot different from the typical removal of onstreet parking and adding bike lanes, which usually increases speeds.
    they should try making the main travel lanes even narrower then... Funny how when removing parking cyclists don't get that full 8.5 feet of left over width. So in effect the "automotive lanes" are widened and then the bike lanes are added... no wonder automotive traffic moves faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    they should try making the main travel lanes even narrower then... Funny how when removing parking cyclists don't get that full 8.5 feet of left over width. So in effect the "automotive lanes" are widened and then the bike lanes are added... no wonder automotive traffic moves faster.
    In Dallas it works great. Multiple narrow lanes with no parking: Presto! A 8' to 14' bike lane! (And no debis collecting in the lane.)
    Vehicular cycling techniques have not been tried and found difficult. They have been presumed difficult and not tried.

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    that's the same Dallas where cycling is considered highly dangerous, correct?

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    forgot to mention the parking stays

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    with considerate engineering, a bike lane addition does not necesarily lead to the '*** barrel' effect. another foretorite fallacy-


    bicyclists fare best in communities that recognize bikes as human powered vehicles with unique operating characteristics and accomodated as such- helemet head stands as an excellent example (despite his denial)of a bicyclist that fares best living in a community that has been planning for bikes in the transportation mix for over 35 years!

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    Quote Originally Posted by randya View Post
    That's the same Dallas where cycling is considered highly dangerous, correct?
    Yes. Most Americans think cycling on any roadway anywhere is dangerous. Dallas is not considered dangerous at all by me, and since I am actually doing it for about 450 hours a year, that makes me an expert!
    Vehicular cycling techniques have not been tried and found difficult. They have been presumed difficult and not tried.

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    we're real happy for you and your chestbeating skills, chip. I mean, bicycling abilities!

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    MMM... Cashews!

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    eschew
    This word always makes me want to go to the store and buy a can of cashews, which makes me hungry.

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