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  • No, I prefer to ride along with the traffic (bike lanes are dangerous)

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  • I don't care. I'll use whatever is available.

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    Bike Lanes - commuter poll

    With the recent discussions on bike lanes, I am curious to get a sampling of peoples feeling s with respect to bike lanes. I know some people hate them and some love them. Lets see what the numbers say.
    Last edited by macteacher; 02-09-08 at 07:42 AM.

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    Why add the dangerous comment to the second option? That preference and opinion do not necessarily go together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffS View Post
    Why add the dangerous comment to the second option? That preference and opinion do not necessarily go together.
    Bike lanes are often in the car door zone and can be problematic just before intersections where the road changes from [parking, bike lane, car lane] > [two car lanes]. Combined with people speeding up for yellow lights, it can be dangerous. Also, they give a false sense of security sometimes especially when morons drive into the bike lane unexpectedly or early for turns. But of course, they are much better than no bike lane.

    As for me, I don't mind. Usually lanes are wide enough to fit me and a car even if it's not legal (I'm not the one breaking the law though).

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    I added the dangerous comment, because people who don't ride in bike lanes often suggest they are dangerous

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    I voted 'bike lanes' but it really it depends entirely on the prevailing mindset
    of that areas population.
    In Vermont or MAine, bike lanes are usually unnecessary.
    In a lot of the southern states, SC and FL etc, they are a
    necessity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macteacher View Post
    I added the dangerous comment, because people who don't ride in bike lanes often suggest they are dangerous
    And some people who ride in bike lanes suggest that to ride otherwise is dangerous. So if you want to gain any knowledge by way of polling why not delete this poorly worded poll with its bias loaded responses and start over?

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    statistically, major roads with bike lanes are safer than major roads without bike lanes; the League of American Bicyclists considers an experienced bicyclist riding on roads with bike lanes to be the safest road bicycling scenario; infrastructure adds bicyclists and makes bicycling more visible in a community;

    Only fools and forstorites would vote against well implemented bike infrastructure.
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    I ride in bike lanes, I ride on roads, I ride on sidewalks. I use every option available to me. I would ride the busier roads more often maybe if they had bike lanes...
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    I responded that "I don't care" but I think that response needs clarification. Bike lanes, just like shoulders, denote extra paved width outside of the main traffic lanes. If I can use that space to allow faster traffic to pass without causing any negative effects to myself, then I do. If not, then I don't. Same goes for a wide outside lane, the only difference being that that space is not clearly marked as being outside of the normally travelled roadway width.

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    FWIW, I prefer bike lane when the posted speed is over 30 mph, but I voted for using whatever is available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by macteacher View Post
    With the recent discussions on bike lanes, I am curious to get a sampling of peoples feeling s with respect to bike lanes. I know some people hate them and some love them. Lets see what the numbers say.
    As always in most of these discussions, the question fails to state the conditions. The question should apply to only the painted stripe, no other variables, and it does not so limit itself. Therefore, the answers are irrelevant because they probably reflect different experiences on different streets.

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    It all depends on the details.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iltb-2 View Post
    And some people who ride in bike lanes suggest that to ride otherwise is dangerous. So if you want to gain any knowledge by way of polling why not delete this poorly worded poll with its bias loaded responses and start over?
    I think you are misunderstanding. The poll options are supposed to be read by the reader as applicable to them, i.e. the "bike lanes are dangerous" is supposed to be an option for those that think that, it's not from the author's bias.

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    actually, I prefer wide shoulders... if not wide shoulders then bike lanes, with one caveat... I don't want to
    be "forced" into a bike lane by law if the bike lane becomes a safety liability...

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Forester View Post
    As always in most of these discussions, the question fails to state the conditions. The question should apply to only the painted stripe, no other variables, and it does not so limit itself. Therefore, the answers are irrelevant because they probably reflect different experiences on different streets.
    I'm sure there are more than a few real-life road 'conditions' where a curbhugger like john would appreciate a well implemented bike lane.
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    I ride wherever there is good pavement. If there's a bike lane, I'll ride in it, so long as it's good pavement. If I have to leave the bike lane to find good pavement, I'll do it.

    Most of my commute is not "bike laned." I use what exists.

    No worries

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    I like bike lanes because they give you defined territory that most motorists are quite good about not intruding on

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    Quote Originally Posted by VintageRaleigh View Post
    I like bike lanes because they give you defined territory that most motorists are quite good about not intruding on
    How is that different from pavement that is not demarcated as a bike lane on which you are riding?

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    I guess you didnt see this part of that sentance :

    "they give you defined territory that most motorists are quite good about not intruding on"

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    Quote Originally Posted by -=Łem in Pa=- View Post
    I guess you didnt see this part of that sentance :

    "they give you defined territory that most motorists are quite good about not intruding on"
    I saw it. That was my point. I guess I have to explain it in more detail.

    Riding in the traffic lane also gives a "defined territory that most motorists are quite good about not intruding on". If you choose a sharing position in a wide lane, that defines a territory that "most motorists are quite good about not intruding on". If you choose a controlling position, that defines the entire traffic lane as a territory "most motorists are quite good about not intruding on".

    I know that if you're curb hugging in narrow lanes the "defined territory" is so narrow that often motorists pass too closely, but that's a reason to not curb hug in narrow lanes which we should all know by now.

    So, I ask again: How is the "defined territory that most motorists are quite good about not intruding on" "given by a bike lane" different from the "defined territory that most motorists are quite good about not intruding on" when riding in a sharing position in a wide lane, or in a controlling position in a normal traffic lane?

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    Your theories are wonderful and can be agreed upon, the problem is when
    you add humans into the equation everything goes wack.
    Human nature being what it is, in US culture people require being given
    boundaries. You must live in a very pleasant and civilized place given the
    high regard you have for the drivers in your area. Im not that fortunate.
    The humans here have proven Darwin wrong. Id say more than less should
    not be driving anything. These people require 'off limits' areas because they
    are not evolved or civil enuff to figure it out for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcottay View Post
    It all depends on the details.
    yep.

    I use 'em when it suits me and don't when they don't.
    There are times I wish they were there and times I couldn't care.
    In some cases they are a relief to have available and other times they are redundant due to other options, including riding right along with the traffic.

    so I'm with those who say it's all in the details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helmet Head View Post
    I saw it. That was my point. I guess I have to explain it in more detail.

    Riding in the traffic lane also gives a "defined territory that most motorists are quite good about not intruding on". If you choose a sharing position in a wide lane, that defines a territory that "most motorists are quite good about not intruding on". If you choose a controlling position, that defines the entire traffic lane as a territory "most motorists are quite good about not intruding on".
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    BZZZZZZ. INCORRECT, sir.

    I know that if you're curb hugging in narrow lanes the "defined territory" is so narrow that often motorists pass too closely, but that's a reason to not curb hug in narrow lanes which we should all know by now.

    So, I ask again: How is the "defined territory that most motorists are quite good about not intruding on" "given by a bike lane" different from the "defined territory that most motorists are quite good about not intruding on" when riding in a sharing position in a wide lane, or in a controlling position in a normal traffic lane?
    um, motorists drive all over wide lanes and intrude on all width of a wide lane.

    head. wide lanes are ambiguous, and bike lanes define territory.

    why are you even trying to argue the contrary?

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    Quote Originally Posted by -=Łem in Pa=- View Post
    Your theories are wonderful and can be agreed upon, the problem is when
    you add humans into the equation everything goes wack.
    Human nature being what it is, in US culture people require being given
    boundaries. You must live in a very pleasant and civilized place given the
    high regard you have for the drivers in your area. Im not that fortunate.
    The humans here have proven Darwin wrong. Id say more than less should
    not be driving anything. These people require 'off limits' areas because they
    are not evolved or civil enuff to figure it out for themselves.
    The basic rules of right of way are understood by most drivers everywhere I've ever ridden a bike or driven a car, and that includes all over the U.S. That's what defines territories in wide lanes, though many cyclists don't seem to understand that.

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