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Old 03-21-08, 03:27 PM   #1
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Death by lorry - a look at cyclist and vehicle interactions in London.

Interesting program on TV in the UK.

"Death by lorry: the London programme" raised a few points some here may find interesting.

Un-trained cyclists are most likely to ride into the blindspots on turning vehicles. Even experienced cyclists who haven't had formal training but consider themselves good cyclists (every driver is an excellent driver ) were suprised and shocked by just how invisible cyclists are unless they're in primary position and, if behind the vehicle, can see the mirrors.

Cycle lanes are a waste of money and usually in completely the wrong place for both ease of use and safety. They especially highlighted the kerb hugging ones that run through the turning lanes of junctions and the multiple ones in London that run for a few meters before ending and/or run the wrong way down one way streets.

Some non-cyclists are unlikely to ever consider cycling without training even if they are extremely disillusioned with the alternatives. They took a non-cyclist (hadn't cycled since learning how to as a child) who normally used, and hated, trains to commute and, after a few hours of training, focusing on signalling, positioning and awareness, had them cycling around London including the parliament square gyratory.

Few cyclists signal their intentions. This can be extremely frustrating and dangerous for other road users looking for visual cues of the cyclist's intentions.
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Interesting program on TV in the UK.

"Death by lorry: the London programme" raised a few points some here may find interesting.

Un-trained cyclists are most likely to ride into the blindspots on turning vehicles. Even experienced cyclists who haven't had formal training but consider themselves good cyclists (every driver is an excellent driver ) were suprised and shocked by just how invisible cyclists are unless they're in primary position and, if behind the vehicle, can see the mirrors.

Cycle lanes are a waste of money and usually in completely the wrong place for both ease of use and safety. They especially highlighted the kerb hugging ones that run through the turning lanes of junctions and the multiple ones in London that run for a few meters before ending and/or run the wrong way down one way streets.

Some non-cyclists are unlikely to ever consider cycling without training even if they are extremely disillusioned with the alternatives. They took a non-cyclist (hadn't cycled since learning how to as a child) who normally used, and hated, trains to commute and, after a few hours of training, focusing on signalling, positioning and awareness, had them cycling around London including the parliament square gyratory.

Few cyclists signal their intentions. This can be extremely frustrating and dangerous for other road users looking for visual cues of the cyclist's intentions.
sounds like an interesting program- do you have a link so we could watch the show? -and, though I appreciate your perspective, form our own opinions.
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sounds like an interesting program- do you have a link so we could watch the show?...
I tried to find it on the ITV website but their replay service only covers soap operas, i.e., nothing useful. You may be able find it on torrents but it was only just broadcast at 20:00GMT 21/03/08.

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... -and, though I appreciate your perspective, form our own opinions.
I wouldn't expect anything less. Faith should be reserved for the deluded.
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Ratings of 3.5million and it barely makes a ripple on the internet chatrooms. If anyone uses torrents is "death by lorry" available on-line?

The "woman who stops traffic" had MUCH smaller ratings and but you'd never guess from the chatter on some forums (even the motoring ones).

I guess cyclist deaths are more attractive but less emotive than trying to get people to not use their cars for one day.
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unfortunately, without a link to the video it will be hard to have any context other than your own impressions for the program to be discussed.

Too bad sounds like it was an interesting program and pertinent to many discussions in this forum.

Those BBC programs on London cycling that were on-line as a full program were excellent- I'd love to watch some more stuff like that.
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