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Old 11-24-08, 04:33 PM   #26
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You realize that there are cities that have removed all traffic controls in parts of town with surprisingly positive results, don't you?
More information would be welcome on this.
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Old 11-25-08, 10:56 AM   #27
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Ah, but if our drivers here could be forced to learn to the same level we wouldn't have nearly the idiocy that we do now. But, our instruction sucks, and our tests are a joke. I'd piss off a lot of people if I were in a position to change driver testing.

I've never liked the idea of teaching the basics and then expecting drivers to learn more over time. That's like teaching someone the alphabet and expecting them to write poetry the next week. Once a new driver has finished driver's ed, they're mixing it up on the streets with no fewer responsibilities than anyone else... but they weren't taught well enough to understand that fact. Some newbie with a day-old license has just as much potential to damage or kill.

If you could ensure that new teenage drivers learn everything about driving that the safest, smartest 40-year-old drivers have figured out, don't you think things would improve?
There has been a systematic dumbing down of all elements that would improve road safety from making driving tests easier so everyone can have "the right" to drive, to allowing more slack on enforcement so it now takes an excess of 15 mph over the speed limit to be "worth the courts time" and if a charge will not hold up in court its not worth the police time giving out unenforceable tickets so driving 40mph in school zones is now acceptable essentially turning a crash with a pedestrian from most likely favorable to most likely fatal, vehicles and roadways have been made "safer" allowing survival of vehicle occupants doing the most outrageous behavior, roads should not be designed to accommodate drunks and speedsters at the costs of bicycle and pedestrian safety.
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More information would be welcome on this.
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Old 11-25-08, 02:54 PM   #29
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More information would be welcome on this.
Here's one story...

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...448747,00.html

search for the names in the story and you should find more information.
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Here's one story...

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...448747,00.html

search for the names in the story and you should find more information.
"The utopia has already become a reality in Makkinga, in the Dutch province of Western Frisia. A sign by the entrance to the small town (population 1,000) reads "Verkeersbordvrij" -- "free of traffic signs." Cars bumble unhurriedly over precision-trimmed granite cobblestones. Stop signs and direction signs are nowhere to be seen. There are neither parking meters nor stopping restrictions. There aren't even any lines painted on the streets."

Has the Utopian reality been declared successful by anyone, besides its deceased promoter (Hans Monderman), in any place else besides this tiny town of 1000 since this dated article from 2006?
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