Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Results 1 to 8 of 8
  1. #1
    totally louche Bekologist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    A land that time forgot
    My Bikes
    the ever shifting stable loaded with comfortable road bikes and city and winter bikes
    Posts
    18,016
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Vehicular cycling on two lane roads

    How would YOU describe riding a bike as a vehicular cyclist on a two lane road?

    give it your best shot, keep it brief.
    "Evidence, anecdote and methodology all support planning for roadway bike traffic."

  2. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Posts
    4,069
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist View Post
    How would YOU describe riding a bike as a vehicular cyclist on a two lane road?

    give it your best shot, keep it brief.
    On the typical two-lane road that does not have wide lanes, then I would simply use the right-hand lane as is normally required for traffic.

  3. #3
    Senior Member gcottay's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Green Valley AZ
    My Bikes
    Trice Q; Volae Century; TT 3.4
    Posts
    3,772
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Pristine ideological purity is not near the top of my list of virtues so:

    If the lane is wide enough and doing so is otherwise safe I share it. That's one of many advantages of having a narrow vehicle.

    If the lane is not wide enough or sharing would otherwise be unsafe I take the lane. If my speed is far under that of other vehicles and a long line forms behind me, I seek out a safe and convenient spot to stop and let other vehicles through, just as I would if driving a motor vehicle at the same speed.

    On a fast rural two-lane with a nice smooth clean shoulder I consider it my own little special purpose lane and use it but stay especially alert at all intersections and driveways.
    George
    Laissez les bon temps rouler

  4. #4
    24-Speed Machine Chris516's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Wash. Grove, MD
    My Bikes
    2003 Specialized Allez 24-Speed Road Bike
    Posts
    4,929
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist View Post
    How would YOU describe riding a bike as a vehicular cyclist on a two lane road?

    give it your best shot, keep it brief.
    I take the lane, outright. I only 'share' the lane by pulling over for emergency vehicles.

  5. #5
    totally louche Bekologist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    A land that time forgot
    My Bikes
    the ever shifting stable loaded with comfortable road bikes and city and winter bikes
    Posts
    18,016
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    This is not my personal opinion, but in the book Effective Cycling, it suggests bikes stay out of the way of traffic and that that bicyclists should position themselves to the right of traffic, and only in the right tire track if the lane is narrow. this advice directly out of EC the book contradicts a glib 'use the right hand lane as normal for traffic'.


    from the Forester-driven EC notebook from his tenure at the LAB as bike educator.... EC is much more a edge of the road methodology. I characterize it as the EC curbhug, even though most bicyclists posting here knows not to curbhug, bicyclists should NEVER, and I mean NEVER, position themselves relative to the cars passing them.

    I would never suggest this submissive lane positioning technique.

    Quote Originally Posted by Effective Cycling notebook
    Here's a general rule: ride just to the right of traffic, except in a narrow lane, when you should ride in the right hand tire track.
    a far cry from 'use the right hand lane as normal for traffic'. that incomplete methodology completely ignores both bikes unique operating characteristics and the statutory duties of bicyclists.

    I'm a proponent of "take the lane, share the road when safe."
    Last edited by Bekologist; 06-27-11 at 07:53 AM.
    "Evidence, anecdote and methodology all support planning for roadway bike traffic."

  6. #6
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Posts
    4,069
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist View Post
    This is not my personal opinion, but in the book Effective Cycling, it suggests bikes stay out of the way of traffic and that that bicyclists should position themselves to the right of traffic, and only in the right tire track if the lane is narrow. this advice directly out of EC the book contradicts a glib 'use the right hand lane as normal for traffic'.


    from the Forester-driven EC notebook from his tenure at the LAB as bike educator.... EC is much more a edge of the road methodology. I characterize it as the EC curbhug, even though most bicyclists posting here knows not to curbhug, bicyclists should NEVER, and I mean NEVER, position themselves relative to the cars passing them.

    I would never suggest this submissive lane positioning technique.



    a far cry from 'use the right hand lane as normal for traffic'. that incomplete methodology completely ignores both bikes unique operating characteristics and the statutory duties of bicyclists.

    I'm a proponent of "take the lane, share the road when safe."
    I rewrote that more than a year ago. The MIT Press is taking its time about publication schedule.

  7. #7
    LCI #1853
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Scott. Arkansas
    My Bikes
    Trek Madone 5.2, Fisher Caliber 29er, Orbea Onix
    Posts
    666
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist View Post
    How would YOU describe riding a bike as a vehicular cyclist on a two lane road?

    give it your best shot, keep it brief.

    1. Behave like a driver of a vehicle;
    2. Control the traffic lane until it's safe for me to yield that control, and
    3. Never compromise my safety for someone else's convenience.

    Brief enough? ;-)

  8. #8
    genec genec's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    san diego
    My Bikes
    custom built, sannino, beachbike, giant trance x2
    Posts
    22,534
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Pscyclepath View Post
    1. Behave like a driver of a vehicle;
    2. Control the traffic lane until it's safe for me to yield that control, and
    3. Never compromise my safety for someone else's convenience.

    Brief enough? ;-)
    Just for grins... how do you "control a lane" in the presence of a multi-ton vehicle bearing down on you?

    There are plenty of documented cases of motorists pushing and shoving cyclists with their vehicles.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •