Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 98
  1. #1
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Posts
    16
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Should pedal bicycles be licensed?

    Hello All,

    Should pedal bicycles be licensed?


    http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d16_7/vc39001.htm


    The fees collected could be used for provident purposes to benefit the
    cycling community at large.


    With more money safer facilities could be constructed.


    If cyclists use the roads why should they not pay as motorists do?


    Are we freeloaders?


    Cheers,


    Neal

  2. #2
    Isaias NoRacer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Essex, MD
    My Bikes
    Ridley X-Fire (carbon, white)
    Posts
    5,174
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    No.

    Your vision of the complete population of bicycle riders is limited. There are people who are lower income that depend on bicycles for transportation. The fee for licensing a bike, for them, would be better placed elsewhere in their budget.

    Once you start licensing, then you'll want to require insurance. See above statement.

    Bicycles incur negligible damage to roads. Heavy trucks and utility vehicles (ones that need to use jacks for stability) and motor vehicle crashes incur the most.
    2009 mileage = 14,738 miles; 2010 mileage = 15,234 miles; 2011 mileage = 17,344 miles; 2012 mileage = 11,414 miles; 2013 = 12,169

  3. #3
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Copenhagen
    My Bikes
    A load of ancient, old and semi-vintage bikes of divers sorts
    Posts
    1,827
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by nealhe View Post
    Hello All,

    Should pedal bicycles be licensed?


    http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d16_7/vc39001.htm

    The fees collected could be used for provident purposes to benefit the
    cycling community at large.

    With more money safer facilities could be constructed.

    If cyclists use the roads why should they not pay as motorists do?

    Are we freeloaders?

    Cheers,
    Neal
    I'm not sure about how these things are arranged in the USA, but I believe it's mostly taxes of divers sorts that pay for the roads. Thus, everybody who pays any form of tax, contributes.

  4. #4
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Southern Redneckistan
    My Bikes
    An inexpensive newer bike with stem shifters and stuff
    Posts
    46
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    NOOOO!
    Why would you need to? How would you determine the process and fees?
    I'm pretty sure my fair share of the costs for the road is already paid for. Where i live i don't really see the state adding infrastructure for where i ride, and the things they should be doing that would improve my safety improves everyone else's too.

  5. #5
    Captain Big Ring tractorlegs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Locked by the Door
    My Bikes
    The Black Knight
    Posts
    2,027
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    No. The funding for bicycle projects is already there. We don't need an influx of funds, we need current funds spent more wisely. Also, the vest majority of bicyclists drive cars too. Therefore, most of us are already paying license fees once - it would be absurd to make us pay it twice. Thirdly, as NoRacer alluded to, it places undue burden on lower income people that have to use bicycles for transportation. I think it would make just as much sense to license feet.
    **************************************************
    The El Paso Bicyclist/

  6. #6
    Resident smartass. Fargo Wolf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Kamloops, BC, Canada
    Posts
    275
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    This is far from a new idea. Cagers and non cyclists are usually the loudest about demanding that cyclist have a license, number plate and insurance. It won't happen because it would be a nightmare logistically, just to set it all up. And that's on top of NoRacer's point about adding to the financial burden of very low income people.

  7. #7
    genec genec's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    san diego
    My Bikes
    custom built, sannino, beachbike, giant trance x2
    Posts
    22,565
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by nealhe View Post
    Hello All,

    Should pedal bicycles be licensed?


    http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d16_7/vc39001.htm


    The fees collected could be used for provident purposes to benefit the
    cycling community at large.


    With more money safer facilities could be constructed.


    If cyclists use the roads why should they not pay as motorists do?


    Are we freeloaders?


    Cheers,


    Neal
    Motorists don't pay to use the roads... they may think they do but they do not. Fees collected barely pay for the licensing services themselves.

    Motorists pay for the privilege of using heavy, fast, powered, machines on public streets, not for the use of the street itself.

  8. #8
    Dog is my co-pilot 2manybikes's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    My Bikes
    2 many
    Posts
    13,677
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I have liscence plates for two states R.I. and Mass. on bicycles from the early 1950s. They were registered. Why did they stop?

    How much can you charge a guy who buys a $25 bike?? Five dollars? Just to do the paperwork and keep track of the fees, is easily more than $5. Then the plates cost something. For every bike taxed and liscenced the state would probably lose a few dollars. It would probably have to be the same as a car to make money, or even just cover the costs. My car registration is $60 every two years. For my $5 bike? For my $80 trike? For my FREE rain bike? $60 every two years for my free bike? You're kidding?

    The reduced road wear, and reduced carbon footprint should be a rebate paid to cyclists for saving the road wear and tear, and saving the planet. The health beneifts should get cyclists a discount on their health insurance. And car registration should be free if you ride a bike enough miles.
    Last edited by 2manybikes; 11-02-11 at 08:29 PM.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

  9. #9
    VICTORY IS MINE! Snowman219's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Ogden, UT
    Posts
    239
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by tractorlegs View Post
    No. The funding for bicycle projects is already there. We don't need an influx of funds, we need current funds spent more wisely. Also, the vest majority of bicyclists drive cars too. Therefore, most of us are already paying license fees once - it would be absurd to make us pay it twice. Thirdly, as NoRacer alluded to, it places undue burden on lower income people that have to use bicycles for transportation. I think it would make just as much sense to license feet.

    Right now an octopus just inked it's Spongebob shorts.
    2009 Kona Jake.
    2012 Giant Defy 1.
    2013 Giant Revel 1.

  10. #10
    Banned.
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    My Bikes
    carbon road bike,mtb bike
    Posts
    86
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    it is a good idea,but not effective.maybe long time later.......

  11. #11
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Posts
    77
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    No, but it will come to pass as another tax revenue source, something to further suffocate the honest citizens.

  12. #12
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Southern Redneckistan
    My Bikes
    An inexpensive newer bike with stem shifters and stuff
    Posts
    46
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    Motorists don't pay to use the roads... they may think they do but they do not. Fees collected barely pay for the licensing services themselves.

    Motorists pay for the privilege of using heavy, fast, powered, machines on public streets, not for the use of the street itself.
    +1
    i had not thought about that last paragraph

  13. #13
    totally louche Bekologist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    A land that time forgot
    My Bikes
    the ever shifting stable loaded with comfortable road bikes and city and winter bikes
    Posts
    18,026
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    back in the 1920's the US supreme court upheld states could, indeed should regulate and license both motor vehicle operators and their vehicles for the large dangers inherent and damages they cause to infrastructure.

    Bicycling has long been held as an American fundamental freedom, supported by the privileges and indemnities clause of the US constitution. as to affirmation of our right to travel by bicycle, Swift V. the city of Topeka (at the state supreme court level but a compelling authority) affirmed over a hundred years ago that travel by bicycle is a fundamental freedom in the United States.

    Cries to license bicyclists don't hold any legal water. Licensing schemes are also a disincentive to bike transportation, and not cost effective. There is no merit in specious calls to license bikes for revenue.
    Last edited by Bekologist; 11-08-11 at 04:24 AM.
    "Evidence, anecdote and methodology all support planning for roadway bike traffic."

  14. #14
    imi
    imi is offline
    aka Timi imi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Gothenburg, Sweden
    My Bikes
    Bob Jackson World Tour (touring) and a Miyata 100 (commuting)
    Posts
    2,012
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by snowman219 View Post
    right now an octopus just inked it's spongebob shorts.
    WHAT!?!?!?

  15. #15
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    4,793
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    It's been proven to be a "loss leader", as the retail industry says it; just ask NY State.

    As was said above, motorists don't pay for the roads through their fees; they just pay for the privilege of operating a potentially deadly weapon on public roads. (PUBLIC roads, as in BELONGING TO ALL OF US.)

    I would like to see some protocol for ensuring proper conduct on the roads; but obviously, we haven't found it YET, just look at traffic deaths every year. As far as I'm concerned, when traffic deaths are in just double digits, THEN they can talk to us about our presence on the road.

  16. #16
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    Sacramento
    My Bikes
    SR, Bianchi, Raleigh, Bertin, Kona, Schwinn, Eisentraut, Zunow, Columbine, Naked, Nishiki, Phillips, Specialized, Giant
    Posts
    286
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Short answer... NO!

    Long answer... Google some terms like "freedom of movement" and "right to travel", then read some of the concepts behind the right of a free people to move about for their private interests on public roadway. When you apply sound logic, it becomes obvious.

  17. #17
    Senior Member bhchdh's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Hampton Roads VA
    My Bikes
    '07 Trek 520, '10 Gary Fisher Triton, '04 Trek 8000, '85 Trek 500, '84 Trek 610, '85 Trek 510, '92 Trek Multitrack 700
    Posts
    1,571
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    No

  18. #18
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    8,428
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist View Post
    Bicycling has long been held as an American fundamental freedom, supported by the privileges and indemnities clause of the US constitution. as to affirmation of our right to travel by bicycle, Swift V. the city of Topeka (at the state supreme court level but a compelling authority) affirmed over a hundred years ago that travel by bicycle is a fundamental freedom in the United States.
    It appears to be a bit more complicated than that.

    http://www.bicyclelaw.com/road-right...or-a-privilege

  19. #19
    imi
    imi is offline
    aka Timi imi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Gothenburg, Sweden
    My Bikes
    Bob Jackson World Tour (touring) and a Miyata 100 (commuting)
    Posts
    2,012
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Has anyone ever been banned from recreational bicycling?
    I've never heard of this, and if not, it would suggest that bicycling is a right, not a privilege that can be withdrawn.
    Wouldn't it?

    edit: but yeah, as njkayaker said, it's probably more complicated than that.

  20. #20
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    4,793
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    njk's link is telling; it affirms the history (thanks, Bob Mionske), and also points out that there are views other than our own that are as legally compelling, should the issue get to that point.

    Bottom line: if cyclists are required to be licensed, we LOSE part of our right to travel, in exchange for. . . what? Some ethereal protection from vigilante drivers? Being treated as 2nd-class citizens because we don't worship at the altar of the almighty car? Licensing, historically, revokes a right to the more limited classification of "privilege".

    My first thought is, self-policing, as MTB'ers are often encouraged to do; but that's a little tough in a nation that lives by the mantra, "I'M GROWN, I CAN DO WHAT I PLEASE, AND I DON'T HAVE TO TAKE **** FROM ANYBODY!"

    I'm open to suggestions; we need to keep this away from the politicians and lawyers (except for, maybe, Magas and Mionske. . .lol)

  21. #21
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    Sacramento
    My Bikes
    SR, Bianchi, Raleigh, Bertin, Kona, Schwinn, Eisentraut, Zunow, Columbine, Naked, Nishiki, Phillips, Specialized, Giant
    Posts
    286
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    It's only complicated if you entertain the ramblings of a lawyer. Listen to one long enough, and you may start to doubt that 2+2 is exactly 4!

    If human powered travel is not a basic right in a free country, then the opposite becomes true... it is some sort of "priviledge" that can be regulated, permitted, licensed, fined, taxed & endlessly controlled by the state!

    If a person wants to believe they do not have a right, then it becomes true for them, and power is given to the state agency that "gives" out the priviledge.

    Think back to the last time you (or someone you know) was pulled over by the law. How did you answer the question "Where are you going?"... how quickly (& mindlessly) was the right to privacy forfeited to the state?

    Keep riding your bike like a free citizen!

  22. #22
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    4,793
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Who's confused? The people who make the laws, and that's because they listen to the rustle of money in their ears first.

    Answering a cop's questions abridges your rights? Really? Sorry, but your privacy gets checked at your front door in society; you enter the public domain, and your right to privacy is subjugated to the right of society to be orderly. Questioning you isn't the same as going through your pockets.

  23. #23
    Senior Member zonatandem's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Location
    Tucson, AZ
    My Bikes
    ariZona carbon fiber tandem & single
    Posts
    9,962
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    . . . and also license/tax shoes so we can have more sidewalks?

  24. #24
    Senior Member gcottay's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Green Valley AZ
    My Bikes
    Trice Q; Volae Century; TT 3.4
    Posts
    3,772
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    This cyclist already pays many thousands of dollars in taxes, voted yesterday to increase his school tax bill and does not wish to register and pay a fee for his bikes.
    George
    Laissez les bon temps rouler

  25. #25
    totally louche Bekologist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    A land that time forgot
    My Bikes
    the ever shifting stable loaded with comfortable road bikes and city and winter bikes
    Posts
    18,026
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
    It appears to be a bit more complicated than that.

    http://www.bicyclelaw.com/road-right...or-a-privilege
    my brief was accurate, on point and, well, a brief. but thanks for pulling up an article that affirms my framing of the rights versus privileges nature of riding a bike in the US.



    yes, we must remain on point and roust out any specious or duplicitous calls to license cyclists. it is an affront to the law, and affront to justice and an affront to common sense.

    bikes don't break bridges, bikes don't cause potholes, bikes don't go out of control at the hands of a drunk driver and take out a family in their station wagon.
    "Evidence, anecdote and methodology all support planning for roadway bike traffic."

Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •