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    All of the above......

    Quote Originally Posted by Doane View Post
    What do you think causes the anger in drivers?

    1. They are in a rush and don't like being slowed down?
    2. They don't think bikes belong on public streets?
    3. They feel superior because they are in a bigger/stronger vehicle?
    4. They're secretly jealous because they are out of shape?


    Your thoughts?...

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    24-Speed Machine Chris516's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doane View Post
    What do you think causes the anger in drivers?

    1. They are in a rush and don't like being slowed down?
    2. They don't think bikes belong on public streets?
    3. They feel superior because they are in a bigger/stronger vehicle?
    4. They're secretly jealous because they are out of shape?


    Your thoughts?...
    All the above!!

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    Senior Member eja_ bottecchia's Avatar
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    I love Carmel and the entire Monterey Peninsula. Not too crazy about some of the Carmel residents though.

    Some are very anti-tourist, which begs the question then: why buy a house in an area known for tourism?
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    Senior Member Doane's Avatar
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    I'll give you the long answer..

    In almost every tourist town I've ever been too, that is seriously over crowded with tourists, and with inadequate parking, along with odd traffic conditions, I've experienced the same hostility from some of the locals, or from the tourists them selves. Most of the true, old time locals in Carmel by the Sea have either left or died. The town is small, just over 1 square mile in size and most of the neighborhood houses are no longer lived in full time having been bought by wealthy vacationers from out of the state and out of the country. They come down for a few days or weeks for golf, the car shows, holidays, etc.... at Christmas there are very few decorative lights anymore. There are no traffic street lights, only occasional stop signs and those are usually only two way which really throws tourists off too.

    As to your question, besides buying a house for vacation use, others bought here to live here, because of the beauty of the area, which is still unique and one of the most spectacular on the coast. My family has lived here for over 50 years and I've seen the changes over the years.

    Most of us who live here permanently put up with the inconveniences of crowded tourism, while some don't and are rude out of frustration. As an example, trying to cross Ocean Ave by car, which has no stop lights, can be a real challenge when the cross walks are full of pedestrians and especially if you get caught half way across the intersection and then are stuck in the line of side traffic, blocked by pedestrians on the other side who are oblivious to you. It can get crazy down town and on a bike you have to be even more careful!

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    Senior Member eja_ bottecchia's Avatar
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    Doane, I've been vacationing in or around the Carmel area (I love staying at Asilomar or at the Carmel Highlands if I am feeling particularly flush) for many years. I've seen the changes and it makes me feel sad.

    I have sympathy for the old timers who bought when Carmel was a quaint get away for Stanford professors or for poets like Robinson Jeffers. I don't feel the same sympathy for the new iwners who bought knowing that Carmel is a tourist destination--that's like buying a house next to the airport and then demanding the curtailment of all flights.

    I still remember when there were no ice cream shops in Carmel because the city's fathers didn't want to deal with the mess. What a silly AND beautiful place.
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    1989 SLX Bottecchia (Campy Athena 11s)
    1999 Cannondale F400 mountain bike
    2012 Bianchi Infinito (Campy Record 11s)
    2012 Colnago C59 in PR99 color scheme (Campy Record 11s)

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