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  • Small Economy Cars

    6 6.82%
  • Medium Size Cars

    10 11.36%
  • Large Cars

    10 11.36%
  • Small Pickup Trucks

    9 10.23%
  • Large Pickup Trucks

    36 40.91%
  • SUV's

    27 30.68%
  • Huge SUV's

    18 20.45%
  • Sports Cars

    5 5.68%
  • Other Types - Comment Below

    7 7.95%
  • I haven't noticed any link to type of vehicle

    21 23.86%
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    Poll: Close calls and car type

    Is there a link between the car type and the threat to a bicyclist? Not sure if this would be a valid poll because it probably varies a lot depending on what country you live in and in the USA what state you live in and whether you are in a rural or city area, but this still might be interesting to see:
    Which type of vehicle have you noticed that seems to more often come very close to you while driving or endanger you in other ways?



    For me, it seems like sports cars are the worst offenders as far as coming very close to me while riding on residential streets. Next would probably be large SUVs. Maybe I'm imagining it though.

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    This is probably way to involved to be a poll and I'm sorry I even posted it now. I just thought it might be interesting to see if any others have noticed any link to car types. I started thinking about it and there are way to many variables.. For example, it's possible that sports car drivers, who are probably mostly better drivers then others, may feel more confident that they can pass closer with out being a danger to the cyclist because they can react faster, who knows? Of course, it's also possible that many of you haven't been aware of looking at the type of car in certain situations that are dangerous.. naw, way to complicated, sorry everyone if this was a stupid poll.

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    In order of how close they get:

    1 Tourist buses.

    2 Taxis

    3 Large luxury cars (the bigger and more powerful, the closer they get)

    4 School buses.

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    The CSUMB shuttle buses like to squeeze cyclists the most, I've noticed. I guess they want to encourage people to take their shuttle than ride their bikes. (It has a bike rack on the back!)
    What do you call a cyclist who sells potpourri on the road? A pedaling petal-peddler.

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    I don't think any type of vehicle is better than the others. They are all bad. That may seem nutso. But, IMO it comes down to the individual person, not the type of vehicle. Because, The only mindset that changes, is when a motorist gets' behind the wheel.

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    It's not so much that one make or type of vehicle is more likely to pass me unsafely. Rather, if the driver is male, then the cheaper the vehicle the more likely he is to pass maliciously. If the driver is female, then the more expensive the vehicle the more likely she is to pass dangerously. Males in new SUVs or huge pick-ups seem to be fairly considerate drivers where I live and females in older vehicles also seem to be relatively safe. Same car with the other gender and I've got troubles. All bets are off with youngsters; they are all lousy drivers hereabouts.

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    I really can't 'profile' a type of vehicle or driver that is more likely to cause me problems; there isn't any leaning, one way or the other -- I get the same good AND bad from older drivers, younger, male or female, junker or 'whip'. If they decide on any given day that I'm 'in their way', they at least partially disregard my space and right to the road.

    I have noticed that they are fewer and further between, though. Maybe it's the madly blinking taillight....

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    I often find that the large pickups, though loud, actually will swing wide. The school buses and, worst of all, power company trucks, give ZERO extra room.

    My most consistent profile is:
    • female
    • young
    • small car
    • cell phone


    Or, worse than cell phone, is young, female, passengers filling the car.

    Call me sexist, but I calls em as I sees em.

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    Old people and Town cars! Older ladies more so! Two very close calls!
    Had words with both, Both had the same idea. "You should get out of
    my way!"

    Both have dents in the drivers door now!

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    I actually got bumped by a school bus, and regularly get cut off by Taxis on a regular basis. Almost everytime Ive been honked at, its been by a woman, and everytime I get yelled at, its by a man. No other correlation exists that Ive seen.

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    I regularly commute to work past a large school bus depot during peak periods. Also share a section with plenty of tractor trailer dump trucks. I have very few close calls with drivers of any type of vehicle, and can't really say one type is worse than another.
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    Most really close calls are from one ton duel axle pickups pulling 8 foot wide utility trailers, horse or animal trailers. Especially when they blast a big rig air horn as they are passing you with oncoming traffic. (no shoulder). I had the camera running but the file was corrupted.

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    I'm not sure of the car type, but i just had a nun pull out right in front of me from a library parking lot while I was riding in the middle of the road.
    "Evidence, anecdote and methodology all support planning for roadway bike traffic."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist View Post
    I'm not sure of the car type, but i just had a nun pull out right in front of me from a library parking lot while I was riding in the middle of the road.
    Popemobile?


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    the two closest calls i've had were from 2 gigantic SUV drivers, who i am pretty sure thought they were leaving me plenty of space on the right, but did not realize how wide their vehicle really is (one side view mirror must've come within 3" from my arm) -

    from what i've gathered though, careless/distracted drivers come in all shapes/sizes/vehicles...

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    Vehicle Type in 1,711 Motorist Overtaking Bicyclist Crashes in North Carolina

    North Carolina's PBCAT database lets you do online cross-tabulations on the 12,671 bicycle crashes in the state from 1997 through 2009. The Motorist Overtaking Bicyclist crash-group are very close passes indeed, so close the bicyclist was hit. Here are all the Crash-Type Groups versus the more common vehicle types:



    If you want to see all vehicle types, e.g. farm tractors etc, go to LINK.

    As always, to get risk per event the question is how many motorist overtaking bicyclist events occurred in this time for each vehicle type?

    NHTSA's FARS data is also online and beginning in 2010 it includes some of the PBCAT data fields. NHTSA also has data on number of vehicles and (I think) number of miles driven which is of limited help in getting at relative (not absolute) risk. However, this is over all roads and bicyclist numbers or mileage are not the same on the same roads as for motor vehicles.

    If someone wants to use the NHTSA FARS & PBCAT data, you can not easily do this same cross-tabulation online (as you can do for some other cross-tabulations of the bicycle fatality data). Instead you have to download the underlying tables of data, link them, and do the query. Once you have done that, you can find out all sorts of information as obscure as individual bicycle crash-type vs. motorist's weight, color of motor vehicle, speed limit, type of distracted driving, etc. If you want to have at it, start by reading the documentation on the data HERE and then go on to download the data tables by FTP HERE. You will need a reasonably capable relational database to handle the tables, some of which have roughly 50,000 records and dozens of fields. OpenOffice Base was not up to it when I last tried it, but Microsoft Access did the job.
    Last edited by Giro; 02-15-12 at 12:42 PM. Reason: clarity

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    Thanks, Giro, very interesting. Notice how many accidents are the bikers fault! ...failing to yield mid block and at sign controlled intersections.

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    Could someone explain what does "bicyclist failing to yield - midblock" mean? - at midblock, i thought i had the same rights / share of the road and there is no law requiring me to yield to vehicles (again, at midblock)

    am I missing something?
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    Crash-Type Manual for Bicyclists by Carol Tan illustrates most crash-types

    Quote Originally Posted by eduardo76 View Post
    Could someone explain what does "bicyclist failing to yield - midblock" mean? - at midblock, ...
    The Crash-Type Manual for Bicyclists by Carol Tan illustrates most of the Pedestrian and Bicyclist Crash Analysis Tool (PBCAT) crash-types. Here are the two pages illustrating the Midblock. The numbers are different since these are taken from a different study (see the link to the manual for details).

    See also the PBCAT Manual, Version 2.
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    Thank you Giro!

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    Thanks, Giro.... WOW! 45% of the adults crashed in mid block had been drinking!

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    I've noticed a lot of ******** in pickups. A lot of them have road rage. Some SUVs get close, but they're not as bad in my experience. I regularly see taxis and haven't had any bad experiences with them. There are a lot of semi-tractor trucks where I commute, and they are so big and intimidating.

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    http://youtu.be/bapbHFZLxN0

    Near misses and bad drivers turn volume down for bad language on the last clip

    My first you tube vid

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    Wow, James... I don't think I would be riding that route anymore!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesw2 View Post
    http://youtu.be/bapbHFZLxN0

    Near misses and bad drivers turn volume down for bad language on the last clip

    My first you tube vid
    Actually, looks similar to the road I live on, as far as lane width goes. (sadly, we have fields, instead of trees) I've had similar close passing problems, but that's gone down, since I started riding further into the lane. (just left of the right tire track) Still get the idiots that "must pass cyclist" despite the oncoming traffic. *shrugs* Whuchagonnado?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Burton
    When some wild eyed eight foot tall maniac grabs you by the throat and taps the back of your favorite head head against the barroom wall, and he looks crooked in the eye, and he ask you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail."

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