Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Page 4 of 4 FirstFirst ... 234
Results 76 to 80 of 80
  1. #76
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    Netherlands
    Posts
    97
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist View Post
    I seriously doubt many dutch feel suffer such inferiority when in front of traffic. I've seen high levels of equity with motor vehicle traffic exhibited by the Dutch. I just can't picture many dutch families feeding their kids such low-nutrition pablum.

    The greatest trick John Forester ever pulled, was convincing his cult the Dutch don't exist. Instead he confabulates about a country that doesn't even remotely resemble the Netherlands. Some of his ramblings:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiOy13TV22I#t=2068
    It's rather amusing really.


    When in traffic, Dutch people will generally ride towards the right side of the road, because it's the considerate thing to do, so they rarely find themselves in front of traffic In turn, drivers will give them more than enough space, and don't door them. Close passes are rare. Happens to me maybe a handful of times per year (=5000+ kilometer) There is however a crude concept of taking the lane when circumstances require it. One notable example is when mothers take the lane to shield their children while teaching them how to ride:

    11 Jan, ketting foto, vrouw en meisje op fiets..jpg
    Last edited by CarinusMalmari; 08-24-14 at 02:53 AM.

  2. #77
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    My Bikes
    Scott Sub 40
    Posts
    342
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by John Forester View Post
    There's no national secret. The FHWA published speeds on mixed use paths and bike lanes: "According to these curves, only about 10% of bikeway users are satisfied with a speed of 9.5 mph, and only 25% with a speed of 10.5 mph." Quoted from Forester, Bicycle Transportation, second edition page 110, the MIT Press, 1994. Immediately following is the measurement of the speeds of cyclists commuting into work at a large aerospace center in Mountain View: "The slowest speed observed was 12 mph, the median speed was 16 mph, and the 85 percentile speed was 18.5 mph." This material has been long known and nobody has questioned it.
    First, the FHWA report (at least to the extent you quoted) does not report speeds on bike paths. It merely reports what speed people would like to obtain - with no indication as to whether or not they actually obtain those speeds.
    Second, you own statistics regarding Mountain View demonstrate that only a small minority of cyclists maintain a 20 mph speed. As someone with children, do you expect my children to be able to bike at that speed?

  3. #78
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    My Bikes
    Scott Sub 40
    Posts
    342
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by spare_wheel View Post
    one of the many reasons i generally cycle in lane is because i want to make travel by single occupancy motor vehicle inconvenient. its bad for our society, bad for human health, and bad for the planet as a whole
    Ladies and gentleman, an ardent VC promoter concedes that even he can't figure out a way to ride in harmony with vehicular traffic. As someone who has been to cities with a extensive bike path networks, I can assure you that many people on bikes in those cities would have ridden in a car were it not for the bike paths (myself included). If Spare Wheel really wanted to get people out of cars, he would encourage bike paths as one method to achieve that goal. Such blatant hypocrisy!

    Quite simply, which country has more people using alternative transportation: The Netherlands with their horrific-to-bikers infrastructure or the United States where bikers don't have to worry about having those pesky bike paths? Hmm...

    Finally, I can't understand anyone who demands an infrastructure that must allow them to never have to compromise their speed during congested periods. That seems to be an absurd expectation, IMHO.
    Last edited by VTBike; 08-25-14 at 08:58 AM.

  4. #79
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    pdx
    My Bikes
    2007 carpe diem frame custom build, trek 7.9 frame custom build, custom built chinese carbon fiber road bike, shopping bike
    Posts
    2,900
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by VTBike View Post
    Ladies and gentleman, an ardent VC promoter concedes that even he can't figure out a way to ride in harmony with vehicular traffic
    i am a supporter of car-free areas, traffic-calmed bike streets, door zone-free bike lanes, danish-style in road cycle tracks, and fully separated paths where appropriate.


    Finally, I can't understand anyone who demands an infrastructure that must allow them to never have to compromise their speed during congested periods.
    in contrast, to crappy north-american bike sidewalks facilities in europe are often designed to encourage fast and efficient cycling. they understand that it's not only about perceived safety -- it's also about making cycling more convenient than motorized couch riding.
    Road rash is a precious gift. Road rash is your friend. Bask in it, appreciate it, love it. Above all, learn from it. --Robert Hurst

  5. #80
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    My Bikes
    Scott Sub 40
    Posts
    342
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by spare_wheel View Post
    i am a supporter of car-free areas, traffic-calmed bike streets, door zone-free bike lanes, danish-style in road cycle tracks, and fully separated paths where appropriate.
    My apologies. I had not understood that you were a supporter of separated paths. Many VC advocates are not and I mistakenly lumped you into that group.

Page 4 of 4 FirstFirst ... 234

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •