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Originally Posted by spare_wheel
i think SD needs some bike boulevards.
i don't consider in-road bike lanes to be separated from traffic. buffered bike lanes calm traffic by taking away space from motorists and provide room for more permanent infrastructure later.
Spare wheel, it sure sounds like you're suggesting separated and buffered bikelanes, and cycletracks.
the same infrastructure you seem happy the Germans are allowed to avoid on 18mph neighborhood roads.
but slow speeds in town, traffic equity and all that? sounds great. I hope Portland gets there.
So, what about those 500 miles of San Diego bikelane?
The 50 and 60mph arterial roads in San Diego aren't going away, just like the roads between Beaverton or Gresham and Portland aren't going away. I've ridden hundreds, if not thousands of miles across greater Portland, and the greater area is very geared towards the automobile. Get out past the urban growth boundary and the greenspace, and the condominiums and separated subdivisions with only high speed arterial access sprout up like thickets of weeds.
Riding up over the hill out of Forest Park, or to the south past hospital hill, or to the east where the Springwater Corridor trickles out, there's suburbia every bit as disjointed as any in San Diego. There's minor differences: a different climate, and more coffee.
Sooo, you're a proponent of extreme traffic calming in town, and across suburban areas like San Diego -or greater Portland- you'd prefer the bikelanes on the 50mph speedways be buffered? Then turned into something better, like separate paths and cycletracks?
How sensible. How European.
Your position is distinctly at odds with the extremist american vehicularists that come up with vacuous drivel like the graphics on the first page.
Last edited by Bekologist; 08-06-14 at 04:38 AM.