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    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist View Post
    San Diego has over 500 miles of Class II bikeway (bikelanes) - most of them along high speed surface streets.
    i think SD needs some bike boulevards.

    http://www.keepsandiegomoving.com/Li...St_2.sflb.ashx

    i don't consider in-road bike lanes to be separated from traffic. buffered bike lanes calm traffic by taking away space from motorists and provide room for more permanent infrastructure later.
    This is why motorists hate us, and why I've given up riding on the road...You should be ashamed yourself, and you should be reviled by cyclists everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spare_wheel View Post
    i think SD needs some bike boulevards.

    http://www.keepsandiegomoving.com/Li...St_2.sflb.ashx

    i don't consider in-road bike lanes to be separated from traffic. buffered bike lanes calm traffic by taking away space from motorists and provide room for more permanent infrastructure later.
    Spare wheel, it sure sounds like you're suggesting separated and buffered bikelanes, and cycletracks.

    the same infrastructure you seem happy the Germans are allowed to avoid on 18mph neighborhood roads.

    but slow speeds in town, traffic equity and all that? sounds great. I hope Portland gets there.

    So, what about those 500 miles of San Diego bikelane?

    The 50 and 60mph arterial roads in San Diego aren't going away, just like the roads between Beaverton or Gresham and Portland aren't going away. I've ridden hundreds, if not thousands of miles across greater Portland, and the greater area is very geared towards the automobile. Get out past the urban growth boundary and the greenspace, and the condominiums and separated subdivisions with only high speed arterial access sprout up like thickets of weeds.

    Riding up over the hill out of Forest Park, or to the south past hospital hill, or to the east where the Springwater Corridor trickles out, there's suburbia every bit as disjointed as any in San Diego. There's minor differences: a different climate, and more coffee.

    Sooo, you're a proponent of extreme traffic calming in town, and across suburban areas like San Diego -or greater Portland- you'd prefer the bikelanes on the 50mph speedways be buffered? Then turned into something better, like separate paths and cycletracks?

    How sensible. How European.

    Your position is distinctly at odds with the extremist american vehicularists that come up with vacuous drivel like the graphics on the first page.
    Last edited by Bekologist; 08-06-14 at 05:38 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist View Post
    How sensible. How European.

    Your position is distinctly at odds with the extremist american vehicularists that come up with vacuous drivel like the graphics on the first page.
    Also distinctly at odds with extremist american copenhamsterdamistas. In fact, just the other day professional bike advocates in PDX were pimping a bloody cycle track on the freaking park blocks.

    File:South Park Blocks.jpg - Wikimedia Commons

    Narrow, slow, streets adjacent to pedestrian-filled parks do not need @#$%ing separation*. The park blocks should have been made car free (or car-restricted) a decade ago.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist View Post
    The 50 and 60mph arterial roads in San Diego aren't going away...
    After another decade or so of extreme drought I think resistance to change will diminish.
    Last edited by spare_wheel; 08-06-14 at 11:00 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spare_wheel View Post
    Also distinctly at odds with extremist american copenhamsterdamistas.
    Are you sure? it doesn't sound like it. car free blocks, lane sharing on 18pmh roads, and buffered bikelanes or cycletracks everywhere else matches sensible, robust design guidance coming down the pipe from NACTO, FHWA, the state agencies as well as local and regional bike organizations.

    remarkably in tune, like a well adjusted bicycle.
    "Evidence, anecdote and methodology all support planning for roadway bike traffic."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist View Post
    and buffered bikelanes or cycletracks everywhere

    saving this quote for future use.
    This is why motorists hate us, and why I've given up riding on the road...You should be ashamed yourself, and you should be reviled by cyclists everywhere.

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    "car free blocks, lane sharing on 18pmh roads, and buffered bikelanes or cycletracks everywhere else" is a depiction of YOUR vision of bike paradise, not mine. Thats not my POV - it's yours. If it depicts sparewheel's personal desire for a portlandia-copenhagen-berlin mashup incorrectly, please illuminate.

    surely it can't be the sellwood bridge in the traffic lane

    Neither your vision of portlandia for bicyclists, or my vision of an better accommodated America match the lane control aspirations of the original poster and his compadres.
    Last edited by Bekologist; 08-12-14 at 11:15 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist View Post
    "car free blocks, lane sharing on 18pmh roads, and buffered bikelanes or cycletracks everywhere else" is a depiction of YOUR vision of bike paradise, not mine. Thats not my POV - it's yours. If it depicts sparewheel's personal desire for a portlandia-copenhagen-berlin mashup incorrectly, please illuminate.

    surely it can't be the sellwood bridge in the traffic lane

    Neither your vision of portlandia for bicyclists, or my vision of an better accommodated America match the lane control aspirations of the original poster and his compadres.

    my preferred option is to always to eliminate LOVs from our roads...and if that's not possible i would prefer to diet "their" lanes, calm them, slow them, and tax the living @#$% out of them.
    This is why motorists hate us, and why I've given up riding on the road...You should be ashamed yourself, and you should be reviled by cyclists everywhere.

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