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    Cypress or Seymour - which is the harder climb?

    Anyone know which is the more difficult; Cypress or Seymour mountain?

    Seymour has more switchbacks but Cypress seems longer.

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    Seymour: 8.2 miles, 3000 ft elevation diff, avg gradient 7%
    Cypress: 9.4 miles, 2500 ft elevation diff, avg gradient 5%

    I have no idea which is more difficult but I would guess the steeper Seymour would be. I am planning to take on these two mountains next spring and Cypress is the first on the list.

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    Seymour is steeper for roughly 2/3rd's of the climb then evens out a bit. Cypress is more consistent. Personally I find seymour a harder climb than cypress.

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    I find Cypress levels out quite a bit at the top too but the climb still kills me.

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    Seymour is harder - steeper to start and longer overall. Some sections ease off though.

    Cypress is very consistent.

    We're lucky to have them both!

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    Seymour for sure. Way steeper on the first half or so, and you know it.
    Cypress is harder if you do Seymour first...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NaBlade View Post
    Seymour: 8.2 miles, 3000 ft elevation diff, avg gradient 7%
    Cypress: 9.4 miles, 2500 ft elevation diff, avg gradient 5%
    Does anyone know how these would be rated in the TdF climb categories?

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    To those that have rode up Cypress, what was your time from base to peak? I'm dreadfully slow but I'm interested in knowing how bad I am
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    I just did Cypress on Sunday morning, from my door (Burnaby Heights) to the lodge was 1hour 45mins, now granted this was my first attempt at the hill. I didn't think to look at my time when I hit the works yard, I will next time for sure.

    As for the climb, pretty consistent, nothing gnarly, but definitely hit it in the morning and take a shell for the ride down. Temperature is nice for climbing and the wind isn't too much of a factor.

    Looking forward to trying Seymour next.

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    are you mountain biking or road biking?

    Seymour has some nice logging roads you can use, but the mountain biking trails on Cypress are almost all downhill only

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    Seymour is definitely the harder climb. It gets steep just after the park gate. It reminds me of Alpe d'Huez without the 21 switchbacks; it's quite steep at the beginning, moderates after the first switchback, then stays steep all the way to the final switchbacks, not letting up until you're in the parking lot (although the road levels at the swtichbacks). If the climb were at the end of a 120km stage which included two 1st category or better climbs, it would definitely be rated HC. A good time is anything under 45-50 minutes.

    Cypress is a much easier climb. It starts off gradually at the works yard, then kicks up a bit at the sweeping left turn after the initial long "switchback" around the works yard. It levels off quite a bit at each switchback, and the climb ends when you cross under the powerlines. Most of the races up the hill end at the cross-country ski area. The downhill area is further up the road, but it's pretty flat at that point. A good time is anything under 40-45 minutes. I would think it might be rated Category 1 just because of its length, but no higher, even if it occurred at the end of the stage.

    I say that Cypress is easier because I used to do on-bike strength training from the works yard to the first lookout in 53x13 back in my racing days. I wouldn't attempt that on Seymour...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lhbernhardt View Post
    Seymour is definitely the harder climb. It gets steep just after the park gate. It reminds me of Alpe d'Huez without the 21 switchbacks; it's quite steep at the beginning, moderates after the first switchback, then stays steep all the way to the final switchbacks, not letting up until you're in the parking lot (although the road levels at the swtichbacks). If the climb were at the end of a 120km stage which included two 1st category or better climbs, it would definitely be rated HC. A good time is anything under 45-50 minutes.

    Cypress is a much easier climb. It starts off gradually at the works yard, then kicks up a bit at the sweeping left turn after the initial long "switchback" around the works yard. It levels off quite a bit at each switchback, and the climb ends when you cross under the powerlines. Most of the races up the hill end at the cross-country ski area. The downhill area is further up the road, but it's pretty flat at that point. A good time is anything under 40-45 minutes. I would think it might be rated Category 1 just because of its length, but no higher, even if it occurred at the end of the stage.

    I say that Cypress is easier because I used to do on-bike strength training from the works yard to the first lookout in 53x13 back in my racing days. I wouldn't attempt that on Seymour...

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    Hey, Luis, Tony Zackery here. Thanks, personally, for the review. I've ridden up Cypress a couple times and have wanted to tackle Seymour but haven't got around to it yet - did Grouse on the mountain bike and that was pretty tough too. I'll get to Seymour this spring or summer, and I'll be sure to have topped up on the carbs beforehand...

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    Seymour is definitely harder than Cypress. It's shorter and steeper with more alt. gain - and more interesting. I find the hardest thing about Cypress to be the monotony - few turns, just a bloody slog and deciding when to downshift and stand to preserve your arse. Seymour is more fun, and it has a more definitive summit, too. You can sit on that disused skilift and contemplate the short but nasty descent.

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    In terms of effort, how does it compare to the Grouse Grind?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wunderkind View Post
    In terms of effort, how does it compare to the Grouse Grind?
    I'll let you know when I've done the grind - I keep meaning to. I think in terms of time they're about the same, so I guess it depends on how hard you find walking / running / stepping compared to cycling.

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    The Grind is highly overrated. Cyclists actually should have an advantage going UP the Grind, since hiking up steep hills uses basically the same muscles you use cycling, and you've got the endurance in those muscles.

    Going down is another matter. Unless you hikie with a full pack up and down hills on a regular basis, DO NOT hike down the Grind. You will not be able to walk the next day! Going down Cypress or Seymour on a bike is way easier and more fun. Also, the corners at Cypress are such that you can pretty well go all the way down without touching the brakes. You might have to use most of the road, so watch out for oncoming cars!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lhbernhardt View Post
    Cyclists actually should have an advantage going UP the Grind, since hiking up steep hills uses basically the same muscles you use cycling, and you've got the endurance in those muscles.
    I've just started running - today was my second ever run - and I was slogging along the seawall in some pain at the end of 6k when I came to the steps heading up to the new convention centre area. Going up those steps felt like floating on air as my cycling muscles kicked in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wunderkind View Post
    In terms of effort, how does it compare to the Grouse Grind?
    In my young cycling life, the longest climb I've done is Gaglardi, going up to SFU. That is much easier than the Grouse Grind.
    The avg grade for the GG is 30%. It gets steeper after the first quarter.
    I thought I could climb it in under an hour after a summer of cycling more than I'd ever cycled. Could NOT do it; it took me 66 min.
    The GG path is much more chaotic than the smooth surface of a road. Going up Gaglardi, I found I could settle into a comfortable pace. But not so on the Grind: very uneven trail, demanding mentally as one has to deal with loose rocks, varying steps, footholds and handholds, etc.

    I'm glad I did a lot of cycling before attempting the Grind. I've only done the Grind twice in 8 years. I don't look forward to doing it again.

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    I've only done the cypress but, it wasn't too bad. like other's have said very consistent, sorta like a longer version of going up sfu.

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    What site(s) is there to compute the streets elevation?

    On translinks bike map, there are a few hills in Burnaby Coquitlam area.

    What's the elevation on these? (or your experience in riding these hills?)

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