Shopping for bicycle parts recently I was shocked by the bad vibes at several GVRD shops. Short story - some of the businesses have unhappy players (both management and staff). And this seems to be unique to bike shops. I do not notice it in other small retail shops here. It's really stressful. Why I don't know. It wasn't this way in Hanoi or Bangkok. Is it this way in USA right now? Maybe it has its origin in economic troubles, or because of fear (two bicyclists shot recently). Or because selling bike parts is labour intensive and employees and managers both feel they are being taken advantage of? Examples from Vancouver area...
My ratings are very subjective.
Caps New West: 4/5 good vibe, prices 2/5, service 3/5, stock 3/5. Proprietor is founder's son. He is full of knowledge and helpful. Large selection. Mechanic seemed like he was happy in his job. Hands-on manager who deals directly with customers. Nothing weird about staff. Very good parking. Native speaker staff. My only disappointments are shop location is a bit inconvenient for me (on Colombia Street near BOORMAN'S ARCHERY, another institution, prices are not the best. Plus the part I wanted had to be ordered, which I did so. But I got a duplicate, an identical much cheaper and in stock at JV - where I loath the proprietor. How can you win? Why did I even buy *anything* at Caps New West? The boss kindly called around to find me someone who would do custom work on a seat post. So, I felt obligated to spend some money in his store lest I be a time-waster. Do I want to go back? Maybe.
Second time in (after tire came in) I non-judgmentally told him about the same tire was so much cheaper at a competitor. He installed it free. But it's rubbing on brake now! Clearly I have to do a test run after any work at a bike shop before I leave the area.
Caps Westwood: 3.5/5 good vibes, prices 2/5, service 2.5/5, stock 3.5/5. My neighbourhood bike shop. Largest space, let me open packages and try stuf, nice staff. Customers have strong opinions on which branch of this established family business they prefer. Unfortunately they won't ship between stores. Do I want to go back? Yes.
Reckless,Vancouver: 3/5 good vibe, prices 3/5, service 2/5, stock 3/5. Despite multiple staff when I went in early evening it was very busy. People lined up. Mix of immigrant and local staff (as at JV). Very cramped store like in Taiwan. A bit tense in the air but no vibe of if the lights went out they would murder their boss and the world would be a better place for it. Someone already tried that here. A disgruntled employee was engaged in a *** battle with police a few months ago after trying to do so. Do I want to go back? No.
JV Bikes: 1/5 good vibe, prices 3.5/5, service 2/5, stock 4/5. They had what I wanted and at a reasonable price (one item was 30% cheaper than Caps, and they had it in stock). But the vibe was *horrible*. The senior staff at the bike shop side are both arrogant and unfriendly like Starbucks waiters. But at the repair shop side I was even more appalled. It appeared that the multiple mechanics are afraid of their rather rude Bulgarian (?) boss. The air was so tense. Fenando was very agreeable and did his best to help me but the boss was so verbally insulting and condescending to to his staff, I couldn't wait to get out of there. Do I want to go back? If I absolutely have to, and I probably will have to for my folding bike. I will keep looking for another Vancouver area who specializes in folding bikes.
Mountain Equipment Co-op: 5/5 good vibes, prices 5/5, service 4/5, stock 2/5. Very good value for parts, accessories and maintenance. Maybe prices *aren't* any cheaper but the fact that prices are posted impressed me. Knowledgeable staff and low cost intro bike courses. Not crowded. Do I want to go back? Yes, but it is unlikely they will have the niche market folding bike parts I need. Sense of community.
Walmart: 4/5 good vibes, prices 5/5, service 1/5, stock 1/5. I expected this hypermart to have disgruntled employees based on the way journalists talk about then. To my surprise the opposite is true - while staff usually know nothing about the products they sell, they are pleasant - if you can find anyone outside of electronics. Mostly low quality accessories but ocassionally I will find something where I say to myself, 'Wow , why should I pay three times the price at a bike shop, I can get a functional alternative here.' Do I want to go back? Maybe, if I am in the store shopping for other things already. Otherwise, this is NOT a destination
So, in conclusion I will go to one store for service, another for folding bike stuff and another because I like the female cashier. I don't like shopping and until there is a superstore for cyclists started I will try ordering online and therefore I will be another nail in the coffin of mom n' pop bike shops.
Trek Fuel EX8, Kona Zing, Marin BearValley, Stolen Heater BMX, Norco Evolution Tandem
I've had the same problems, and don't think it has anything to do with fear. I think I have figured out the best places to go to avoid that kind of attitude/environment. I've had consistently good experience (environment-wise) at:
Dunbar Cycles and Bike Doctor (both near MEC, and more knowleadgeable).
Ride On (bmx)
Mighty Riders (only been in there 2x)
Reckless (the one on pine/3rd, not the one in yaletown where you went).
Then there are the co-ops: the hours are hit/miss due to their business model (non profit!!)
Bike Kitchen at UBC and Our Community Bikes at Main/16th. They won't have what you need in stock and they might not have niche (folder) expertise, but good people!
I've had terrible experiences with mighty riders and MEC.
MEC didn't assemble my bike very well....everything was loose including the brake calipers, the bottom bracket was ungreased, just in general they did a **** job. I had to get another bike fit cause MEC gave me patellofemoral pain syndrome from their fit. Thanks MEC!
mighty riders are unbelievably ******y and try to rip you off. Over $2000 for an aluminum bike with 105, ya ****ing right! They also booked me for a bike fit without me asking for one, called me the next day saying I owe them for a session simply because I was curious about their store and walked in.
La bicicletta are very kind and knowledgable but everything there is so overpriced. 5k for ultegra bikes, again, ya ****ing right! I look forward to having their mechanics work on my bike though, to fix MECs disastrous assembly of it. The mechanics there seem top notch.
Bikes For All does consistently good work on my bikes.
Denman bike shop on 10th and main also do great work, great bunch of employees there.
bike doctor is also great and they seem to be the most well known aside from MEC
ive been to caps in new west once, they are helpful and friendly.
Overall Vancouver has great bike shops and coops, just expect some outrageous prices at a lot of them like mentioned above.
I've had MEC work on my bikes lots and always had great service. They've become my go to bike store. Been into the Broadyway store probably 2 dozen times over the last couple years and never had a bad experience. Ordering from their website is great, too.
I've been in and out of most of the Vancouver bike stores, and the only place I've ever had a negative experience in Vancouver is Speed Theory. Maybe I got the exployee who was having a bad day, but I won't be back. Never run into someone who was less interested in selling me a bike.
Taxes and rents are very high in Vancouver so prices are probably reflecting a little of these higher costs.
I find if you treat people right they usually respond in a positive manner. I have never had a bad experience at any of our local bike shops. if prices seem too high, and you do not need the bike shop service, there is always Amazon.ca were you get to talk to a computer that always responds with "what is your credit card number." It is also time consuming for returns and delivery.
Shopping for bicycle parts recently I was shocked by the bad vibes..............unhappy players (both management and staff)...............
......................I don't like shopping and until there is a superstore for cyclists started I will try ordering online and therefore I will be another nail in the coffin of mom n' pop bike shops.
Here in the American Midwest the guys and gals at the Local Bicycle Shops seem to all smiles and very cheery. Of course... some reek of the smell or burning weed too.
Don't worry about on-line sales being the death nail for LBS's. Existing cyclist can't fix the problem's of LBS's. They need growth and/or turn-over. Hopefully someone in the industry will find a dependable business model for bicycle shops.
I know the local nation chain (Performance) offers classes on bike repair, group rides on weekends, and even free spin classes right in the store.
I haven't ridden a bike for a very long time, and just within the last few weeks started thinking about buying one. It's just been in the last couple of days that I actually got out to a few bike stores to "kick some tires" and take some test rides. I actually bought a bike today.
So while I'm not very experienced, I have to say that my shopping experience was nothing short of fantastic. I went to MEC (both in North Vancouver and Vancouver), the Giant Bike store on 4th Avenue, the Reckless Bike Shop on Fir Street, Cove Bikes in North Vancouver and finally bought from "Different Bikes" on Main Street in North Vancouver.
I didn't have a bad experience at any of them, but I will rate how I felt each one dealt with me. I didn't spend a lot of time at either MEC, but what I did find is that it was difficult to get service. Not sure why it took me so long to get service in North Vancouver when I went as it was not that busy, but when I went to MEC in Vancouver it was crazy busy so that is most likely why it took some time at that location. At each location though, when I did finally get a salesperson to help me they were knowledgeable and courteous.
The Giant Bike store was great. Very helpful and very knowledgeable.
The Reckless Bike shop was busy when I went in, but again the salespeople were courteous and went out of their way to help me.
I spent very little time at Cove Bikes in North Vancouver so I really can't say much either way about them. I have a friend who just put a down payment on a bike with them and so far he is very satisfied.
And today I bought my bike from Different Bikes in North Vancouver. They were great.
In fact the entire experience was great. I really didn't feel pressured at any of the shops and at both Giant Bikes and the Different Bike shop, I asked about a higher end model than I was originally looking at and in each case they told me they didn't think I needed it. In fact, at the end of the day today, I shook the fellows hand at the Different Bike shop and told him how much I appreciated the entire shopping experience and how I appreciated his honesty and not trying to "up sell me".
I'm not really sure what I expected when I started looking for a bike. I guess I expected the traditional used car kind of experience where you always have to be wary of being taken advantage of. I just never got that feeling at all while shopping for a bike. I really was very pleasantly surprised with how the entire process went.