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    Snow Commuting Tires

    As the temps quickly fall, I would like to prepare for this winters commute by getting a new set of tires. I currently have Specialized Armidillos, but need something that would be better in the snow.

    Here is what I am looking for:

    - ~2.0 inch tire
    - medium/low rolling resistance
    - flat resistant

    Any ideas?

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    I have two Trek MTB's. I will be running with a Nokia Mount and Ground 1.9" on the front of each bike. One bike with have a Metro IRC 1.5" on the rear and the other, a Michelin Wild Gripper 1.5" on the rear. The Metro's have a lower rolling resistence than the Michelin. The advantage of the Michelin is that it is a heavier tire and should, therefore, be less prone to puncture.

    Hope this helps.

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    Nokian Hakkapeliatta Specs Picture

    Great winter commuting tyre
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    Nokian Mount & Ground 144's fore and aft are my answer to winter wet-stuff. At 1.75" they are narrow enough to go through snow well, the studs are far superior to my home-made, and they handle dry pavement well.

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    Does Nokian really make a Mount & Ground 144? I have the M&G 166 which are 1.9". A narrower tire would be better for plowing through slush.

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    How well do the studded tire work on pavement? I would hate to quickly wear down an expensive tire. What I would like to do is to be able to switch out the 1.5" front tire and put on the 2.0" knobby when it snows. More than likely I wouldn't use this tire all that much, since the roads are plowed ASAP, but I would need something for the fresh snow, so maybe the studded tire would work. I only commute 9 miles roundtrip, so I suppose I wouldn't wear out the studs too quickly.

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    Hi...as has been stated by many...the Nokian studded tires do well on dry pavement. I would opt for a tire which did not have studs down the middle as they would be loud and would increase your rolling resistence.

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    i have Schwalbe studded tires that are similar to the Nokians... with no studs down the middle.

    i just re-mounted then last night as the temperature has been around 0C for the last week and we're expecting snow in a few days, but today i've got my other bike, so i don't know the exact width, but about 1.9" or so. it is a 26" MTB tire with non-agressive tread designed for road and off-road use with the studs ONLY on the outside of the tread pattern so that with normal pressure (45-65 psi) the studs do not contact when riding straight ahead on hard surfaces. when off-road or cornering the studs then contact... and when the traction is really needed, you reduce the pressure to 30-45 psi and the tire contact patch increases so the studs bite all the time.

    i used these tires for my 10km X2 commute usually 3-4 days/week last winter and they are great... reasonably low rolling resistance and the studs are barely worn after 1 full Winter season (about 1000km or 600miles) of riding on 90% asphalt b/c it doesn't snow that much here in Munich and the plow/salt --

    actually i barely notice they're there when i ride straight on asphalt. then they make a loud sound when cornering. when it's bad out i just let a few psi out by hand and the a few days later when it's clear again i pump them up a little more.
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    Thanks for the advice. I had always thought of studded tires as being for off-road or for extreme road conditions. I did not realize a road worthy studded tire existed.

    I hear most people talk about Nokian tires, but what about the other brands? NathanK mentioned Schwalbe's and then there are IRC tires. I would prefer to spend a bit under $100 for a tire, so I am looking for alternatives to Nokians.

    Any good studded tire stuppliers online?

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    After a quick search, I found the Nokian Mount & Ground at Colorado Cyclist. At only $64, I may be able to afford this one.

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    Originally posted by Steele-Bike
    ...I would prefer to spend a bit under $100 for a tire, so I am looking for alternatives to Nokians...
    I purchased two 26 x 1.9 Nokian Hakkepelietas for just over $80 US for the pair last fall through my LBS. I expect they will last 2 or 3 more years, gauging it by the wear the first year's daily commute did.
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    Originally posted by threadend


    I purchased two 26 x 1.9 Nokian Hakkepelietas for just over $80 US for the pair last fall through my LBS. I expect they will last 2 or 3 more years, gauging it by the wear the first year's daily commute did.
    From my experience with the Hakkapeliitta that sounds about right. And if you have enough snow during the winter, the tyre wear will be even less. But heat is not good for these tyres, so you should try and store them somewhere reasonably cool during the summer. Never leave them in direct sunlight.

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    I just ordered a pair of Nokian Mount & Ground's from my LBS. I was originally only going to get one for the front, but after they quoted me the price of $32 per tire, I decided I better get two. I should have them within a week, but since there is no snow yet, I am in no hurry. Who would have thought the LBS would be considerably cheaper than an internet retailer?

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    My LBS often beats the internet, my eggbeaters were $99, when the cheapest I could find on the internet was $95, and they also charged about $33 for my Mount & Grounds. Of course I buy a lot from them, on a steady, year-round basis. My loyalty gets me special treatment, a battery died unexpectedly and the main wrench offered to loan me his until the replacement came in.

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    Originally posted by tchazzard
    I have two Trek MTB's. I will be running with a Nokia Mount and Ground 1.9" on the front of each bike. One bike with have a Metro IRC 1.5" on the rear and the other, a Michelin Wild Gripper 1.5" on the rear. The Metro's have a lower rolling resistence than the Michelin. The advantage of the Michelin is that it is a heavier tire and should, therefore, be less prone to puncture.

    Hope this helps.
    Tchazzard seems to know what he/she is talking about. I will add that the wider the tire the better for snow.

    Some riders have said that narrow, big I.D. (700 cm) works well in snow, but I just have not found this to be true.

    Big, fat, knobby tires work the best.

    Of course, studded tires will help you on ice too if you want to go that route. If you don't have the dough and really want to ride in the snow, may I suggest fat an knobby.
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    Originally posted by Steele-Bike
    I just ordered a pair of Nokian Mount & Ground's from my LBS. I was originally only going to get one for the front, but after they quoted me the price of $32 per tire, I decided I better get two. I should have them within a week, but since there is no snow yet, I am in no hurry. Who would have thought the LBS would be considerably cheaper than an internet retailer?
    OK, there has been a change in plans. The LBS called me back yesterday and told me that the Mount and Grounds were unavailable from the distributor and also that the saleperson had told me the wrong price. (Even though I had been in there twice and was quoted the same price both times.) So, he tells me the actual price is $64 not $32 and that they won't be available until spring. Hmmm, that doesn't help me a lot.

    Back to the drawing board.

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