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Old 08-30-06, 09:11 PM   #1
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Lake vs Sidi

I have biked two winters now, and I don't like pulling booties over my mountain bike shoes, and dislike frozen feet even more.

Several people have recommended the Lake MXZ301 shoes.

http://www.lakecycling.com/category.aspx?categoryID=36

I hear these shoes run a little narrow, and I like regular to slightly wide shoes.

I have come accross Sidi's Winter Storm 3, and it looks nice (and less expensive).

http://www.beyondbikes.com/bb/ItemMa...2&MatrixType=1

The Sidi doesn't look as warm as the Lakes, but what does looks have to do with it?

Anyway, who has experience with either shoe?
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Old 08-31-06, 07:35 AM   #2
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Lickbike.com has the Lake MXZ301 on sale in limited sizes. I just purchased a pair. They look to be really nice shoes. I like you got sick of putting on booties twice a day a I think the 301s will work really well for my winter commuting. I have wide feet and always require a wide shoe so I ordered up a size. The 301s are basically the same width as my Lake CX201 road shoes. This means they are pretty much a roomy normal sized shoe. However if you have wide feet this probably won't allow much room for extra layers. I don't think the shoes are particularly narrow just that with winter shoes you want the extra room for insulating socks.
I'd get the Lake shoes and order up a size, you should be fine.
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Old 08-31-06, 07:53 AM   #3
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Here are the Lake 301s at a very reasonable price:

http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...&category=1907

My LBS has a pair of Sidis on sale. If they do not fit well, I will order of the Lakes from above.

Good luck.
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Old 08-31-06, 03:22 PM   #4
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I'm a Sidi guy and bought the Lake's.
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Old 08-31-06, 10:58 PM   #5
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Did Castiron buy his normal size or did he go up a size, like CBBaron did?
How do they fit with medium weight socks, like Smartwool's?
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Did Castiron buy his normal size or did he go up a size, like CBBaron did?
How do they fit with medium weight socks, like Smartwool's?
From my experience with MX300s, Lakes tend to run narrow. I got a half size larger, and it fits good with winter Smartwools. My feet are D width, so YMMV.
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I've been looking at the Lake's for a while now, and ordered some today. Lickton's in Chicago (lickbike.com) has them on summer closeout for $149 w/ $8 shipping. I was concerned about sizing, since everything I'd read complained about size. Bill at Lickton's was very helpful and recommended at least a full size larger, 1.5 sizes in my case due to full sizes only. They didn't have my size, so I called, and they did have some on the shelf but mentioned they couldn't get them from their supplier.
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Old 09-05-06, 12:36 PM   #8
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Did Castiron buy his normal size or did he go up a size, like CBBaron did?
How do they fit with medium weight socks, like Smartwool's?
I run Sidi 47 Megas and--I think--bought the Lake's in plain ole 47. I customarily wear a medium weight Smartwool sock underneath. It's a bit snug and I shoulda gone with a 48. They do stretch a bit.
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I put on my MXZ301s to wear for a little bit with a pair of socks. They were a little snug in the width despite going up a size (I usually wear a 11.5 wide, bought a 47). However I applied the Nikwax waterproofing wax that comes with the shoes and wore them for a half hour and they really appeared to stretch to the point I am not really concerned any more. I'm sure they will be tight with heavy socks but it should be uncomfortable and they may stretch a little more once I use them.
I hopeing that I won't need to wear more than one layer of socks for my commute.
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I went to Webcyclery today, not their web site but their actual physical store here in Bend, and they had MXZ301's in stock.
They recommended I wear my normal size, but I went up a half size.
They told me to expect them to stretch a little.
They had them for a very good price.
I don't know if they will list them on their web catalog.
Maybe they have them at this price just for us locals, sort of a thank you for our business.
Nice folks.

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Got my Lake MXZ301s last night. I normally wear 44 or US 10.5, but in my current Lake shoes, 44.5 fits better. I ordered the 301 in 46, which fits well over a summer sock, and has room left for thicker socks. The boa lacing system let me snug them up well over the summer sock, but is a little stubborn to release sometimes.
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Yeah I'm not certain about the Boa system, myself.
Word to the wise about these boots: Seems the common sizes (mid 40's) were very hard to find by mid-winter last year. Pony-up and buy early if you NEED them to get through winter.
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Some of you may be interested in reading this. LAKE MXZ 300 Review
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I see a significant difference between the MXZ300 and MXZ301. The 300 looks just like my MX160 shoe plus a neoprene gaitor. The Sidi I saw also looked like a shoe with a gaitor. The 301s I got look and feel like my Blundstone boots with an "internal" lacing system. Getting them 1 to 1.5 sizes larger than you normally wear doesn't fit too sloppy, but it doesn't fit like a high performance shoe. Whatever socks you decide to wear, it's the dead air space between your foot and the shoe that keeps you warm, so they need to be a little loose.
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Ever hear of Answer shoes?

Last fall I decided to buy real winter riding shoes. The local store only had Answer shoes. Never heard of them before, but I bought them. Good decision. I bought them one size larger than I usually buy. I wanted room for thick socks but never used the thick socks. On rides of up to 1.5 hours, normal exercise socks worked just fine. My feet stayed nice and warm last winter.

I also bought a skiing/snowboarding helmet last year that is much warmer and more comfortable than using a balaclava under a regular helmet. Used goggles for the first time too.

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I bought the MXZ301s towards the end of last winter, was able to use in driving rain once or twice. The rain was able to blow straight under the tongue flap in about five or ten minutes, probably due to my high arches the flap can't cover as much as it needs to. Now I'm looking at somehow modding or tricking out the flap to seal better.Feet stayed warm even when wet, however, in 39 F rain.

Also I found the heal cup very soft and unsupportive, which is a bit of an ankle hazard considering the high boot heal and stiff sole, so I added a heel cup insert, which worked allright.

The crucial bolt on the Boa system came undone in no-time, due to incorrect torque applied at factory, I was told this by Boa itself, but they were very clear about how to fix problem and also flowed me a back-up parts kit which I received speedy but never needed, just needed to loc-tite bolts and apply proper torque to fix.
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