Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Winter Cycling Don't let snow and ice discourage you this winter. The key element to year-round cycling is proper attire! Check out this winter cycling forum to chat with other ice bike fanatics.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-09-06, 08:50 PM   #1
modmon
********
Thread Starter
 
modmon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Bikes: vintage schwinn speedster, Soma Rush, Centurion Accordo fixie convertion, lotus eclair conversion, univega sport tandem
Posts: 391
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
wide road tires or stick with 23's in snow

am i better off sticking with my 700x23 armadillos year round? im getting ready for the winter again and i want to make sure im prepared. ive heard a lot that the narrower the tire, the better the traction. but riding in the snow on those 23's just felt really wrong. i have an old mtb fork that i can swap with my road fork to allow for larger tires... mtb tires and studded tires... i have them all.
whats my best bet?
modmon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-06, 08:57 PM   #2
modmon
********
Thread Starter
 
modmon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Bikes: vintage schwinn speedster, Soma Rush, Centurion Accordo fixie convertion, lotus eclair conversion, univega sport tandem
Posts: 391
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
btw, this is for my commuting/city fixie.
modmon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-06, 09:01 PM   #3
CastIron
Sensible shoes.
 
CastIron's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: St. Paul,MN
Bikes: A few.
Posts: 8,799
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
You won't see me doing it. Some claim it works fine, though.
__________________
Mike
Quote:
Originally Posted by cedricbosch View Post
It looks silly when you have quotes from other forum members in your signature. Nobody on this forum is that funny.
Quote:
Originally Posted by cedricbosch View Post
Why am I in your signature.
CastIron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-06, 08:51 PM   #4
ken cummings
Senior Member
 
ken cummings's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: northern California
Bikes: Bruce Gordon BLT, Cannondale parts bike, Ecodyne recumbent trike, Counterpoint Opus 2, miyata 1000
Posts: 5,601
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
That narrow tire traction bit may just be t rue on dry, smooth roads. On the ice and rutted snow in Denver I found narrow tires to be scarey unstable. I went to the widest tires I could 32s at the time. I even made studded wheels which let me carve smooth banked turns on black ice but blew the tubes in a few miles. I got by for years with the 700x32s by avoiding turns on icy patches. Going across slope on a really slick patch was a sure way to crash hard.
ken cummings is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-06, 10:11 PM   #5
ghettocruiser
Former Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: dropmachine.com
Bikes:
Posts: 4,062
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
There is something to the 'narrow tire story' when the snow is not too deep, wet, and melting at pavement level. The narrow tires sink in and find traction on the pavement, and you have to plow less snow out of the way with the front tire to move.

The theory starts to break down when the snow is drier and/or deeper, the ground is icy underneath, and/or vehicles have already compacted the snow on the road.

It's gonna depend on the conditions you expect in your town.

Myself, I go with big studded nokian WXCs, but I do a fair bit of the commute on unmaintained paths and closed-off roads that stay iced-over for weeks or months.
ghettocruiser is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-06, 07:33 AM   #6
PaulH
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Washington, DC
Bikes:
Posts: 3,307
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
It depends upon your conditions. Depending on temperature, packing, history, and moisture content, the properties of snow can vary a lot. Up north, snow slowly compacts, and you can roll over it with wide tires. Further south, it tends to be wet, and narrow tires bite right through to the pavement.

In many areas, like Washington, DC, there is almost always an ice layer beneath any snow. This calls for studs. I use a fairly narrrow, 622-35 tire, with knobby tread and a low stud content (Nokian W-106).

There are too many variables for me to guess what would work best for you. Your location would help -- someone who rides there could comment.

Paul
PaulH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-06, 09:59 AM   #7
squeakywheel
domestique
 
squeakywheel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: off the back
Bikes:
Posts: 2,004
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I want a Pugsley.
squeakywheel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-06, 10:24 AM   #8
royalflash
Senior Member
 
royalflash's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Munich
Bikes: Lemond Alpe d´Huez, Scott Sub 10, homemade mtb, Radlbauer adler (old city bike), Dahon impulse (folder with 20 inch wheels), haibike eq xduro
Posts: 1,372
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
very wide, very profiled and very studded is best
__________________
only the dead have seen the end of mass motorized stupidity

Plato

(well if he was alive today he would have written it)
royalflash is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-06, 08:57 PM   #9
aeonwheels
Junior Member
 
aeonwheels's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Montréal
Bikes: Cannondale Bad Boy Ultra
Posts: 11
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Hey, what would be best for Montréal?

This will be my first fall/winter commute here. I've got Continentals 700x28c

Thnx / merci
aeonwheels is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-06, 01:34 AM   #10
modmon
********
Thread Starter
 
modmon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Bikes: vintage schwinn speedster, Soma Rush, Centurion Accordo fixie convertion, lotus eclair conversion, univega sport tandem
Posts: 391
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
im riding in baltimore... youre right, the roads get icey undertheneath. just wanted to get some opinions because im thinking about swapping to a smaller frame so that i can ride bigger, wider tires. if the narrow tire theory was true, i was going to stick with what i have.
modmon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-06, 06:46 AM   #11
PaulH
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Washington, DC
Bikes:
Posts: 3,307
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by modmon
im riding in baltimore... youre right, the roads get icey undertheneath. just wanted to get some opinions because im thinking about swapping to a smaller frame so that i can ride bigger, wider tires. if the narrow tire theory was true, i was going to stick with what i have.
Baltimore! OK, I can answer that. you need a set of Nokian Hakkapilita W-106, size 35 X 622. Peter White, among others, has them. ANy bike that fits these tires will be a decent winter bike.

Paul
PaulH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-06, 09:38 AM   #12
Portis
Banned.
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Home alone
Bikes: Trek 4300 X 2. Trek 1000, Trek 6000
Posts: 6,019
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Good luck with that. My road bike hangs in the garage in the winter. Give me all the tire you can for snow and unstable conditions. I ride my mountain bikes exclusively in those conditions, and run 2" tires.
Portis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-06, 03:04 PM   #13
Shiznaz
Gone, but not forgotten
 
Shiznaz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Toronto
Bikes: spicer fixie, Haro BMX, cyclops track, Soma Double Cross, KHS Flite 100
Posts: 4,509
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I ride my 700x23c slick tires on my fixed gear bike in Toronto until I get a few close calls after the snow starts. Since I live and commute downtown the roads are usually well cleared and salted. Once the snow starts to dominate the landscape and you end up with icy filthy frozen piles of slush and snow on the side of the road and you're bouncing in and out of ruts, I switch to 700x32c continental city ride tires. They have a smooth centre and inverted tread outer. I find this is enough for the winter. Could I benefit from more? Sure, but most of the time in Toronto a slick tire will do. YMMV.
Shiznaz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-30-06, 02:16 PM   #14
stapfam
Time for a change.
 
stapfam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: 6 miles inland from the coast of Sussex, in the South East of England
Bikes: Dale MT2000. Bianchi FS920 Kona Explosif. Giant TCR C. Boreas Ignis. Pinarello Fp Uno.
Posts: 19,915
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Portis
Good luck with that. My road bike hangs in the garage in the winter. Give me all the tire you can for snow and unstable conditions. I ride my mountain bikes exclusively in those conditions, and run 2" tires.

Now I am the opposite on tyres. MTB again but I go to a 1.8 at higher pressure, I even used to use 1.5's but I cannot get them in an aggressive tread any longer. My theory is that a narrow tyre will bite through the soft stuff onto the hard surface below, and you get grip on the hard surface. A wider tyre like a 2.1 will skate across the top and not get grip. Doesn't matter in any case because if Ice is underneath the snow- you will be finding out how good your helmet is.
__________________
How long was I in the army? Five foot seven.


Spike Milligan
stapfam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-30-06, 04:25 PM   #15
GGDub
Dog is my copilot.
 
GGDub's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Bikes: Lemond Maillot Jaune, Specialized Stumpjumper, Kona Jake the Snake, Single-Speed Rigid Rocky Mtn Equipe, Soon-to-be fixed Bianchi Brava
Posts: 802
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
It comes down with what you're comfortable with. I've found a 700 x 30c knobby is all I need here, but my wife needs at least one studded tire. Couriers here run narrow slicks all winter because they're mainly on well cleared streets, but I couldn't run that set up because I'd never get enough traction to ride up my steep hill home. However, from my experience, in general winter riding is more about balance than tires.
GGDub is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:20 AM.