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Old 09-03-07, 01:31 PM   #1
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Best studded tires ever - coming out this month?

I am talking about the Nokian Extreme 294 29"x2.1.

I've found that 700c studded tires are superior to 26" ones for winter cycling - the difference is most apparent on hard-packed snow and bumpy ice. Now, I've been using the Nokian Hakkapelitta's 700c studded tires, and while they offered much better stability than any of the 26" ones, I really felt that the low number of studs (106) was a huge disadvantage. Also, the largest Hakkapelitta's are just 47 mm (47-6 22).
The Nokian Extreme 294 29"x2.1 should be the answer to my prayers.


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It's september, and I haven't even smelled these tires, let alone seen them. Has anyone? Any info on where they can be bought?
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Old 09-03-07, 04:42 PM   #2
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The Nokian website used to list a 700c tire that was more the extreme tread pattern and had more studs than the Hak, I've never seen a pair in person (in North or South America at least). Peter White once told me he had some in stock but I'm not sure what he was smoking, I always considered them "vapor-ware". I'd love a pair.
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The Nokian website used to list a 700c tire that was more the extreme tread pattern and had more studs than the Hak, I've never seen a pair in person (in North or South America at least). Peter White once told me he had some in stock but I'm not sure what he was smoking, I always considered them "vapor-ware". I'd love a pair.
A studded Nokian 700c that's not the Hakka, and has more studs than the Hakka? I know of no such artifact.

But you might be talking about the Hakkapelitta 240! Yeah, this is a very nice studded 700c tire, but it has 2 disadvantages compared to the Hakkapelitta 106:
  1. It only comes in the 40 mm width, while the Hakkapelitta 106 comes in 37 and 47 mm width, which is nice.
  2. I have not seen it ANYWHERE being actually sold/offered. You must admit that's a pretty big disadvantage.

I am awaiting with trepidation what comes out from the glorious Nokian house this month. It'll have an enormous impact on how my following winter goes.

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Old 09-04-07, 07:44 AM   #4
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I have not seen it ANYWHERE being actually sold/offered. You must admit that's a pretty big disadvantage.
I bought a pair on November 9th at pyorahuolto.com in Lauttasaari and I actually have another pair as well, which I have no idea where I've bought. A problem in my bookkeeping, I guess.
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I bought a pair on November 9th at pyorahuolto.com in Lauttasaari and I actually have another pair as well, which I have no idea where I've bought. A problem in my bookkeeping, I guess.
So, you used them last winter? How were they? As I said, they seem a bit too skinny for my taste, but I'm curous about your experience. Please tell me.
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A studded Nokian 700c that's not the Hakka, and has more studs than the Hakka? I know of no such artifact.

But you might be talking about the Hakkapelitta 240! Yeah, this is a very nice studded 700c tire, but it has 2 disadvantages compared to the Hakkapelitta 106:
  1. It only comes in the 40 mm width, while the Hakkapelitta 106 comes in 37 and 47 mm width, which is nice.
  2. I have not seen it ANYWHERE being actually sold/offered. You must admit that's a pretty big disadvantage.

I am awaiting with trepidation what comes out from the glorious Nokian house this month. It'll have an enormous impact on how my following winter goes.
Try here:
http://www.starbike.com/php/product_...ng=en&pid=4897

I've had good luck ordering from Starbike in the past.
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Try here:
http://www.starbike.com/php/product_...ng=en&pid=4897

I've had good luck ordering from Starbike in the past.

Thanks. They seem to have a fairly good portion of the Nokian arsenal. Will keep an eye on them, maybe they'll be among those to sell the Extreme 29er, too.
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Try here:
http://www.starbike.com/php/product_...ng=en&pid=4897

I've had good luck ordering from Starbike in the past.
45 Euros each, ouch. Thats more than the studded radials for my Subaru.
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45 Euros each, ouch. Thats more than the studded radials for my Subaru.
yeah, but these are very energy-efficient. You won't believe the mileage
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Take off the 19% VAT for non EU customers which is almost 10euros per tire.
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A studded Nokian 700c that's not the Hakka, and has more studs than the Hakka? I know of no such artifact.

But you might be talking about the Hakkapelitta 240! Yeah, this is a very nice studded 700c tire, but it has 2 disadvantages compared to the Hakkapelitta 106:
  1. It only comes in the 40 mm width, while the Hakkapelitta 106 comes in 37 and 47 mm width, which is nice.
  2. I have not seen it ANYWHERE being actually sold/offered. You must admit that's a pretty big disadvantage.

I am awaiting with trepidation what comes out from the glorious Nokian house this month. It'll have an enormous impact on how my following winter goes.
This place has them, and they are cheaper than at Star Bike with cheaper shipping too.

http://bike-components.de/catalog/Ha...da481ee0948c8e
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So, you used them last winter? How were they? As I said, they seem a bit too skinny for my taste, but I'm curous about your experience. Please tell me.
They are heavy and have a lot of rolling resistance, but the grip is good in most conditions. I had no problems staying upright all winter. My in-city average speed went from about 26 km/h in summer to around 20 km/h in winter as a result of snow, ice and the studded tires. The narrow profile is only a problem in deep snow, which usually lasts only for some hours after snowfall until it gets plowed.
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As far as the 700 being superios to the 26 I feel that is a matter of individualism. I'm a mountain biker, not a road rider, and I am way more comfortable on a sandy bumpy decent at high speeds than I am on a flat paved surface at the same speed. After all these years I still have better control in the mud and gunk than on my daily commute on the street. So for me the 26x1.95 studded tires I run on my mountain bike in the snow and ice offer me way more control and power than when I tried 700x32(?) os the same brand tire on my old commuting bike.
But then again... I don't live in Finland.
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