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Old 09-10-09, 12:37 PM   #1
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Think I figured out a way to commute in colder weather.

In the past I was only ever able to commute in no less then 38 degrees, depending on what the wind is doing. Though I could keep everything below my neck warm and comfortable I always had a problem with my head and face.

I wear glasses that would constantly fog over. I tried a face mask/hood that covered nose and mouth and most of the area around my eyes. This would cause my glasses to fog over because my breath would come up through the mask/hood, not out or down and away. I tried ski goggles to try and prevent this, did not work. Someone suggested I try one of the "old fashioned" ski masks, the ones with the 3 holes, 2 for eyes and one for the mouth. I could not find them anywhere last year, for some reason, no one in my area sold them. It may have been I tried to look too late and the stores were all out for the season. I found a store that carries them this year and they have plenty plus they are made in the U.S.A. I am going to purchase and try one.

Has anyone else who wears glasses that fog over tried this? How did it work for you?
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Old 09-10-09, 04:43 PM   #2
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In the past I was only ever able to commute in no less then 38 degrees, depending on what the wind is doing. Though I could keep everything below my neck warm and comfortable I always had a problem with my head and face.

I wear glasses that would constantly fog over...Has anyone else who wears glasses that fog over tried this? How did it work for you?
Hi S&Q,

Are you the same S&Q who posted this to the Winter Cycling Forum on 11-28-08?:


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I am trying to make it so I can ride in the cold weather. I have a Serius hood/bala that covers the head, nose and face, it has vent holes around the mouth area. I have a pair of Oakley clear single lens goggles. I wear prescription eye glasses. When I put the hood, and goggles on my eye glasses fog over inside the goggles. Nothing I have done prevents it from happening. I am doing this before I try riding bike like this. I have used defogging solution that divers use on scuba masks and the anti-fog wipes people use to clean their glasses. Neither thing works. Contacts are NOT an option for me, I can not wear them. What can I do to prevent my eye glasses from fogging over in the goggles. Also they fog over even with out the goggles on and when I have the hood/bala on. The goggles are not the issue. It is my breath being focused up around my eye glasses that is fogging them over and not clearing fast enough so I can see.

The dive mask anti-fog stuff requires you to coat your lenses in it, rub with your fingers and then rinse with water. The anti-fog wipes do not require rinsing, but still did not work.

What do you recommend? Should I try an anti-fog spray used for eye glasses, one that I spray on and wipe, but do not rinse off? I know there is some way to fix this, jsut don't know what yet? Anyone else in the same situation? What did you do to fix it?
I'm the same J from B who sent a reply referring to the post below describing the solution that I find most satisfactory:

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The problem I have had with prescription eyeglasses and goggles is to provide enough windscreen protection over the eyeglasses with adequate ventilation so the moisture you exhale doesn't fog up the goggles and the eyeglasses. If they frost up, then itís a really bad situation. An inescapable condition occurs when you're going uphill, or stopped and you are breathing hard yet moving slowly with less airflow to carry away the extra moisture.

I find that ski goggles are not up to cycling's demands due to insufficient ventilation, even with lens coatings. Also, one needs clear lenses since the early mornings and evenings are usually dark, yet most ski goggles are tinted. I wear an eyeglass rearview mirror, and it has to be mounted securely on the goggles, and still remain in my field of peripheral vision, but ski goggles have an elastic headband.

After years of experimenting, I have, IMO, a satisfactory solution as illustrated in the photos.
I wear a simple pair of clear safety glasses as you might buy at Home Depot. They are roomy enough to accommodate my eyeglasses. Because I wear a balaclava and a woolen cap under my helmet, along with the earpieces of the safety glasses and eyeglasses inside the helmet straps, my eyeglasses are pushed down uncomfortably onto my nose.

So I have sewn a strip of Velcro on my woolen cap, extending beyond the edge, and wrapped a piece of Velcro around the bridge of the safety glasses. After I have my balaclava, hat and helmet on and fastened, I insert the earpieces of the safety glasses beneath the helmet straps and attach the nosepiece with Velcro to the Velcro extending from beyond my cap and arrange it so the safety glasses are suspended from my cap and they donít have to rest on my nose. Finally I attach the rearview eyeglass mirror securely on the rigid earpiece of the safety glasses.

Even though the safety glasses are widely open on the sides, I find the windscreen to be sufficient and the ventilation excellent, and my eyeglasses sit comfortably on my nose. My usual winter riding conditions are about 14 miles in the teens to 20ís Fahrenheit.

BTW, my other great problem is my feet, and I think the best solution is thick and thin layers of wool socks, leather bicycling shoes, and neoprene cycling overshoes.
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Hi S&Q,

Are you the same S&Q who posted this to the Winter Cycling Forum on 11-28-08?:




I'm the same J from B who sent a reply referring to the post below describing the solution that I find most satisfactory:



To see pictures, go to the original post.
I am the same S&Q. In looking at the photos I see the safety glasses are up and out further then they would be if covering your glasses and sitting on your nose. Even though the safety glasses are not prescription, does this cause any sort of distortion when you look through them, especialy along the bottom edge?
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I am the same S&Q. In looking at the photos I see the safety glasses are up and out further then they would be if covering your glasses and sitting on your nose. Even though the safety glasses are not prescription, does this cause any sort of distortion when you look through them, especialy along the bottom edge?
I find no problems with distortion. I ride on early dark winter mornings with ambient street lights and a Cateye Opticube and see well. The only limitation I encounter is that at less than about 10 to 15*, after about half an hour, I do start to get some frosting on the upper outer right (curb) side of the goggles, but the center and left (traffic) sides remain clear for the remaining half hour of my commute. I wear an eyeglass mirror on the rigid left ear piece of the goggles and it can be conveniently positioned, unlike on an elastic band of ski goggles.

Because the glasses are up and out, there is a large open area available for ventilation to prevent fogging, yet the lenses are large enough to act as an effective windscreen. As described, the glasses are held up by a velcro attached to my cap, to prevent the goggles from being pushed down on my nose, because I'm wearing two layers on my head under the helmet.

FYA, this was an unsolicited posting about using safety goggles:

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I will have to admit that I am truly amazed. It only got down to 32 degrees Fahrenheit with no wind chill this evening. That is still a good test. I had zero fogging!

I simply added a pair of safety glasses as suggested by Jim from Boston. He wears a lot more on his head than I do so he has a much more elaborate setup...Aparently keeping the cold wind deflected lets the lenses stay warm enough to prevent fog from forming. I will test this in colder temperatures. For now I am completely sold!

Thanks Jim From Boston! Than man deserves a cigar.
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I bought a No Fog mask last winter for $38. This worked for me when temp was below about 20 Deg F. I would wear a balaclava, then the No Fog mask, my glasses and finally OTG goggles. I used Cat Crap on my glasses to prevent fogging. This worked good to -20 F, which is the lowest air temp I encountered last winter. FYI - I posted the following last December.

I have been wrestling with my glasses fogging inside my Scott OTG goggles. I have tried Cat-Crap which helps the fogging of my glasses, but has not eliminated it.

I am thinking a good approach may be to break the problem into two areas:

No. 1 - reduce or eliminate warm moist breath from around the eyes
No. 2 - improve air circulation around the glasses to reduce higher humidity air from condensing on the surfaces of the cooler lenses

No. 2 already has some solutions (see Jim from Boston's solution or spend about $130 and get a Smith Turbo Fan goggles). However, if you can also work on NO. 1, this may cause the problem to be signficantly reduced.

I am ready to sacrifice fashion and look like a duck...

The company website has some interesting technical information. I could relate very well to the discussion between the differences between breath fog and perspiration fog.

http://www.nofogusa.com/Breath%20Fog.htm
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I bought a No Fog mask last winter for $38. This worked for me when temp was below about 20 Deg F. I would wear a balaclava, then the No Fog mask, my glasses and finally OTG goggles. I used Cat Crap on my glasses to prevent fogging. This worked good to -20 F, which is the lowest air temp I encountered last winter. FYI - I posted the following last December....

I am ready to sacrifice fashion and look like a duck...

The company website has some interesting technical information. I could relate very well to the discussion between the differences between breath fog and perspiration fog...]
I remember your post from last year, and with all due respect I LOL'ed at the picture, but indeed the fogging can be a serious problem. I'm sure snowmobilers don't exhale as much as we do but certainly would need goggles at their speeds. I don't think I'm ready for the No Fog yet, but in any case I ride early when it's dark and not many people would see me. Besides, I think non-winter cyclists are more perplexed by our sanity than our fashion sense.

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