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Old 12-21-09, 05:38 PM   #1
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Studded Tire advice for Mountain / Backup Snowstorm bike - Nokian Extreme, Ice Spiker

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I already have a bike for regular commuting duty with Schwalbe Marathon Winter tires on it (note - may or may not even have enough clearance for bigger than 35c tires).

I also own a mountain bike, and would like to do some winter mountain biking. Figured I could put studded tires on the mountain bike, then also use it for commuting during those "OMG, it's a huge friekin snowstorm" days where my Schwalbe's are completely outclassed. :-) (I am also fortunate enough to be able to take dedicated bike paths like 85% of the way to work right now).

I was trying to figure out the best tire to get (mountain bike has 26" tires).

The Nokian Extremes are common, and I think they're on sale, but I've read some people say (when I searched the forums here) that they aren't particularly puncture resistant. Which kind of sucks - changing a flat in the bitter cold sounds like even less fun than changing a flat in regular temps. :-(

The Schwalbe Ice Spikers look tempting - Schwalbe rates gives them 5/5 for puncture resistance. They're not light tires, but apparently are the same weight as the Nokian Extreme's?

The Schwalbe Ice Spiker Pro's don't have aren't rated as well for puncture resistance, but they're like 30% lighter, which might be nice.

Any thoughts and/or experience? Here's a breakdown of what I know about them - cost is not a big deal for me at the moment, I'd be more than happy to pay more for a better tire -

Ice Spiker Pro HS 379
http://www.schwalbetires.com/node/1787
695g (Schwalbe Site)

Ice Spiker HS 333
http://www.schwalbetires.com/node/1367
980 g (Schwalbe Site)

Nokian Extremes
http://freewheelbike.com/product/nok...studs-1821.htm
895 grams (Peter White) / 950 grams (Freewheel Bike)
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Old 12-21-09, 08:47 PM   #2
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Hi,

I already have a bike for regular commuting duty with Schwalbe Marathon Winter tires on it (note - may or may not even have enough clearance for bigger than 35c tires).

I also own a mountain bike, and would like to do some winter mountain biking. Figured I could put studded tires on the mountain bike, then also use it for commuting during those "OMG, it's a huge friekin snowstorm" days where my Schwalbe's are completely outclassed. :-) (I am also fortunate enough to be able to take dedicated bike paths like 85% of the way to work right now).

I was trying to figure out the best tire to get (mountain bike has 26" tires).

The Nokian Extremes are common, and I think they're on sale, but I've read some people say (when I searched the forums here) that they aren't particularly puncture resistant. Which kind of sucks - changing a flat in the bitter cold sounds like even less fun than changing a flat in regular temps. :-(

The Schwalbe Ice Spikers look tempting - Schwalbe rates gives them 5/5 for puncture resistance. They're not light tires, but apparently are the same weight as the Nokian Extreme's?

The Schwalbe Ice Spiker Pro's don't have aren't rated as well for puncture resistance, but they're like 30% lighter, which might be nice.

Any thoughts and/or experience? Here's a breakdown of what I know about them - cost is not a big deal for me at the moment, I'd be more than happy to pay more for a better tire -
Get some Nokian Freddiez revenge lite. It's a mean tire and at 2.35" gives you a little bit more float.

Why is the schwable more puncuture resistant?
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Old 12-21-09, 09:48 PM   #3
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I'm on the second winter of running Ice Spiker Pro's. I haven't had one flat or lost a stud yet and most of my winter riding is on the trail. They're also easy to mount.

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I have a hybrid with the Nokian 106's that I commute on 90% of the time in the winter. I had the same idea and built up a ridgid framed 26 inch Diamondback Outlook out that included the Nokian Extremes. Works like a champ in the really nasty stuff were the 106's wouldn't climb out of the ruts but the wider tires take a lot more effort to push through the snow. I wouldn't want anything wider. The Extremes don't have any special puncture resistance beyond suspending the tire carcuss and tube about a quarter inch above the pavement by the knobs. I ususally get flats on tires without some form of flat protection layer but haven't had one yet on the Extremes (knock on wood).
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I'm on the second winter of running Ice Spiker Pro's. I haven't had one flat or lost a stud yet and most of my winter riding is on the trail. They're also easy to mount.

What brand of cables are you using, stevemtbr? I really like the braided-steel look of the housings. Are they winter specific?
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What brand of cables are you using, stevemtbr? I really like the braided-steel look of the housings. Are they winter specific?
Dollars to donuts they're jagwire cables...
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Yep as stated below they're Jagwire cables. Not winter specific but they work fine in winter conditions. It's not a sealed system but comes with a sleeve for the exposed portion of the cables to help keep ice and crude out.
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I started out on the Marathon Winters two years ago. I didn't like them. I didn't feel as confident on the ice as I did when I switched over to the Nokian Extremes. Now I feel that I can handle anything Mother Nature throws my way in these parts. As for puncture-resistance. The Nokians are a beefy, well built tire. I don't even worry about the possibility of a flat. And those chances go down real low when you're riding on snow or ice.
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My Nokian Freds eat ice and crap traction. They simply do not slip. But I use them for ice biking in Anchorage. Literally cycling on streets covered with ice and packed snow. I have to wonder what mountain biking conditions you're going to be running into. Most off-road winter cyclists in these parts use a fatbike with wide tires for floatation. The studs sink deep into the snow to reach something they can grab onto. In deep fluffy stuff they don't work well. A fat tire will float on the snow.
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I've got 7 winters and several thousand KM on a pair of 296 Extremes and though the chords are starting to show through where the knobs meet the carcas and the sidewall rubber is starting to come apart I've NEVER had a flat. I would not hesitate to buy another set.
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Some reviews of the various tires
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I am on my 3rd season with the ice spikers. I cannot compare them to the nokians as I haven't used them. I have never had a flat with the ice spikers and they have preformed well,they apparently have a kevlar band for flat protection. They go on and come off Rhynolite rims with ease. I haven't lost a stud yet. My commute is 22km round trip and I ride 5 days a week and use the tires from mid Nov-March and they look brand new still. I have tried a lot of different pressures and it seems like 30 works good in fresh snow and I pump them up to sixty on drier pavement days. Two reasons I chose them were local availability and the kevlar flat protection. It sounds like other riders have had good luck with flats on the nokians as well. Best of luck with your choice.
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paulrivers - you get anything yet? I finally got out on my ice spikers yesterday after a 3" snowfall and they were great - well really low they went over anything - when pumped up they rolled well on the road and were still able to handle the cr*p that cam my way
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paulrivers - you get anything yet? I finally got out on my ice spikers yesterday after a 3" snowfall and they were great - well really low they went over anything - when pumped up they rolled well on the road and were still able to handle the cr*p that cam my way
Hey, while I haven't technically purchased them yet, I think I'm going to go with the Nokian Extremes simply because they're the cheapest (cheapest good ones, ya know) and they're available locally. Doesn't sound like anyone else has had issues with them flatting, so I'm going to cross my fingers and hope it's not a problem.

Thanks for everyone's feedback!
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My Nokian Freds eat ice and crap traction.
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