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Old 12-07-10, 06:37 PM   #1
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(Nokian) EXTREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111!11

I'm a convert from the Marathon Winters to the Nokian Extreme. Let me tell you why.

Years ago I decided that I was going to commute by bike as much as possible. Since I live in an area that gets a lot of ice and snow, that meant buying studded tires. I went with the Marathon Winters, looking for something with good balance and being new at the whole thing - I wasn't sure it was going to work out.

The Marathon Winter is a good tire. It's been outstanding on smooth ice and the lack of rolling resistance is impressive. I've never had a flat with them, as far as I can remember, and that's over 2+ winters of commuting. The problem is that it isn't good on snow. Not even relatively shallow snow. Even at minimum pressure.

I didn't even consider the likes of the Nokian Extreme before, thinking they weren't made for roads. And they probably aren't. But guess what? The rolling resistance actually isn't all that bad. Compared to mostly slick tires, I am slowed down by not much more than 10% at most on clear roads. In fact, the difference from the MWs really isn't a big deal at all. And the performance on snow is much, much better. They work better on high pressure than the MWs did on low pressure. On ice, they seem to do just as well. I traversed a heavily-rutted MUP (thanks to icy shoeprints) other other day and it was manageable with nary a twitch. With the MWs, I would have been walking.

Do you still have to be careful? Absolutely. Will you be slower? Just a little bit. But I am convinced that if you want to ride as much as possible and have to deal with accumulating snow, get the Nokian Extremes and be done with it. Don't beat around the bush.

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Old 12-08-10, 10:25 AM   #2
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And prices on Nokians here in the US aren't all that bad. Availability isn't always great...
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I agree - great tires. I was debating whether to get studded tires this winter and finally decided on the Nokian Extremes. I wasn't disappointed. The peace of mind they give you is definitely worth the purchase price. As far as the the rolling resistance goes, my mountain bike knobbies, when run at low pressure, have worse rolling resistance than the Nokians.
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I'm in the market for some Nokian Mount and Ground tires. Can anyone recommend a source? Bike tires direct is always sold out.
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I'm in the market for some Nokian Mount and Ground tires. Can anyone recommend a source? Bike tires direct is always sold out.
I think REI had them about a month ago for $50/ea.
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I might try something a little more aggressive next year. I don't think the Extremes would fit on my bike, but the MW's do seem to be lacking in "extreme" weather. That being said they are great on cleared roads that may be icy.
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I bought a new set of Nokia M&G's and now I almost wish I has got the Extremes. We had freezing rain a couple of nights ago and everything is still glazed over. Riding on ice coated gravel is very dicey. The Mount and Grounds handled it but I had to be very careful. The M&G's do well for about 95% of my riding needs. I've found that they are very good for riding singletrack that is frozen or only has a slight coating of snow. Heck, if the snow was deep I wouldn't want to ride, so I really don't need anything more aggressive.
Another thing I like about the MG's is they perform very well on dry pavement. I can do 40-50 miles on them without any problems. Just have to get used to that buzzing noise.

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Nokian A10

I just got a pair of Nokian A10 which I chose because of the minimal number of studs on the outer edge of the tire. Just mounted them, and gave them a 2 mile test ride, they weren't bad. Despite the 96" of annual snowfall we receive, most of the roads I ride are clear/wet, or packed snow with icy patches. The short ride I took gave some confidence in them, tomorrow I'll give them about 10 miles and see how I feel. Does anybody have any experience with this model?

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Wow! Did I miss something or is thread about the Extremes (with lots of exclamation points).

I can only comment about the Extremes and the 106's as those are what I run. I agree the Extremes are great tires and I'd estimate they are about 10% slower than the 106's (although I haven't done any objective measurements) with increased capability in "mashed potato" snow and are way superior in climbing out of ruts. I like the 106's better in "virgin" snow because the narrow width seems to sink to the pavement to get a good grip and they are less work because they push less snow. Last fall and the year before I did a 18 mile ride with my 106's before changing them for summer tires (Sport Contacts in close to the same size). The ride time is consistently a good 20% faster with the slicks.

Irwin, it would be great if you would run your A10's for a while and post a new thread with a review. Last time I was shopping they were not available and I would really like to learn a little more about them.

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I have Marathon Winters on my winter commuter and Ice Spiker Pros on my mountain bike. The Winters are great 90% of the time, but the Ice Spikers are awesome on those snowy days when the Winters can't cut it.
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Irwin, it would be great if you would run your A10's for a while and post a new thread with a review. Last time I was shopping they were not available and I would really like to learn a little more about them.
I intend to do just that, today will be my first ride of any length.

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Let's be realistic here... not many people are going to use more than one model of studded tire. My main point of this thread, and remember that I'm a commuter, is that if you want to keep things simple and ride as much as possible while facing more than a little snow, the Extreme is the way to go.
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