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Old 10-03-11, 12:01 PM   #1
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Wool glove liners?

I have the Pearl Izumi P.R.O. Lite Softshell gloves and the P.R.O. Lite Liners.

I found that the Mid weight Minus 33 turtle neck base layer and the mid weight balaclava kept me warm with a wind jacket in 9C; adding a light weight wool base layer over top the mid weight was too much. Conversely, the light weight base layer on the legs was too thin, but it mattered very little with the legs; my heat requirements primarily rest in the core and neck, with the temples second, followed by ears and nose and hands and feet and testicles (this was a problem at one point). Legs seem resilient.

Surprisingly, regular cotton socks work well enough with these drafty cycling shoes. No problems there.

The P.R.O. Lite gloves and liners, however, failed. Horribly. My hands stayed warm, but the fingertips above the last knuckle became way too cold. The small pinky finger also froze along the outside.

I believe lobster claw style gloves will effectively fix this; however, I like my finger independence. I want to try a wool glove liner first, instead of these PI PRO Lite liners. In colder weather I may need to move to lobster claw gloves.

Any suggestions on wool (Merino?) liners?
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Old 10-05-11, 03:59 PM   #2
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Oh man, if it's 48F and you have that many layers things will get interesting when it starts to get cold.

Those gloves are going to be letting air through, and I'm not sure that the wool is going to help with warmth much unless your hands are getting sweaty. For the cold months I think you'll be wanting some different gloves entirely to stop more of the wind. If you're convinced that the wool liners will keep your hands warm with those gloves then I don't have any experience w/liners besides the cheap stretchy one-size-fits all gloves you get at pretty much any store underneath some mittens.
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Old 10-05-11, 11:24 PM   #3
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lol, yeah...

I would second the advice though that liners probably aren't going to do the trick, and if they do then when it gets a little colder they're not going to work. Hands out in front of you for some reason always get the coldest because of the wind - the trick is "windproof" gloves. Gore Bike Wear makes windstopper biking gloves but they're expensive. These Specialized Equinox gloves would work well to I would imagine and be less expensive -
http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/...jsp?spid=64328

Unfortunately it's difficult for me to recommend something specific because what I use it -
1. An unamed glove with some sort of Polartech wind-stopping material that's worked great, but it doesn't have a name on it
2. A Specialized waterproof/windproof shell with individual fingers - but that they no longer sell (fyi, high end "breathable" waterproof gloves are great, but cheap waterproof gloves that don't breath would be terrible)
3. For below freezing riding Goretex winter gloves - but not their "cross" gloves. Actually their cross gloves would work fine for your temps, but not enough insulation for below freezing for me. I've always wondered what their Countdown gloves look like in person...

Anyways, something "windproof" would help, in my opinion, a *LOT* more than getting better liners. Liners are something I would only consider *after* getting a windproof glove.
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Old 10-09-11, 01:09 PM   #4
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Hmm those PRO gloves aren't windproof enough then? Interesting.
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Um...to be honest I think I kind of missed that part of your post. You mean you have these? -
http://www.pearlizumi.com/publish/co...-14341009.html

I'm afraid my only thought on those is that they say "P.R.O. Softshell with Cocona™ fabric provides optimal wind and water protection" - but they don't actually say "windproof", I think they don't specifically say "windproof" because they don't meet some sort of standard for being called windproof. For example, you'll notice they use fancy smanshy phrasing to imply they provide "optimal water protection", but they avoid calling themselves waterproof. If you try some of these products for a while you'll find that anything that actually doesn't use the word "waterproof" is not waterproof. There's some sort of standard companies have to use if they use the word waterproof or something - they will often imply again and again that something is waterproof (weatherproof is another good one), but that's just to trick you if it was actually waterproof they would call it waterproof.

That may seem a little jaded, lol, but I've had a lot of friends and family who have fallen for the trap and - well, discovered for themselves what it means.

You know what? I'm kind of rambling on here. Sorry.

Unfortunately I don't have any specific liners to recommend, I would guess this -
http://www.smartwool.com/mens/sopris-glove-liner.html

Would probably be the kind of thing you'd want but I don't own a pair unfortunately.

If it was me, I would start with "windproof" gloves, but that's just my 2 cents. Good luck.
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Polypropelene glove liners with Pearl Izumi Amfib Glove five fingered gloves. I wear these down to below 0* quite comfortably... And get a can of silicone "waterproofing" spray from Campmor and spray the back sideds about once a month. That will keep your hands dry.

http://workingperson.com/wigwam-blac...u=112357407515

http://www.amazon.com/Pearl-Izumi-Am.../dp/B0018YE3GE

http://www.campmor.com/outdoor/gear/Product___18764

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I have smartwool liner gloves...nice gloves. Although that is all I wear onmy hands when it's 48 degrees out.
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I'm afraid my only thought on those is that they say "P.R.O. Softshell with Cocona™ fabric provides optimal wind and water protection" - but they don't actually say "windproof", I think they don't specifically say "windproof" because they don't meet some sort of standard for being called windproof. For example, you'll notice they use fancy smanshy phrasing to imply they provide "optimal water protection", but they avoid calling themselves waterproof. If you try some of these products for a while you'll find that anything that actually doesn't use the word "waterproof" is not waterproof. There's some sort of standard companies have to use if they use the word waterproof or something - they will often imply again and again that something is waterproof (weatherproof is another good one), but that's just to trick you if it was actually waterproof they would call it waterproof.


Completely not surprised.
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I have used Smart Wool glove liners under some loose fitting gore gloves. Seemed to work pretty good down to about 10f and a couple hours.
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If your fingers were wet you may want to consider wearing thinner sleeves so your arms can stay cooler.
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Maybe you need some http://barmitts.com/
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Besides Smartwool, Ibex makes merino wool glove liners also. I've tried both.

The problem I've had with wool gloves, liners or not, is that they wear out pretty quickly when worn cycling. That may change somewhat as now I am riding a fg for my winter bike instead of one with twist shifters, which I think tended to wear the gloves out prematurely.

But I like merino wool glove liners when they don't have holes in them.
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Ibex has awesome glove liners. Ibex also has a lifetime satisfaction guarantee on their stuff...i think.
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