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Old 02-24-13, 06:55 AM   #1
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Buy your Nokian studded tires now...

The Ice Cyclist said to get the best results from Nokian studded tires you need to purchase them a year in advance of when you plan to use them and store them in a cool, dry place.

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Old 02-24-13, 10:36 PM   #2
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He's nuts. Now might be a good time to buy, because anyone with them wants to get rid of them. But there's no magic in leting them age.
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He's nuts. Now might be a good time to buy, because anyone with them wants to get rid of them. But there's no magic in leting them age.
Tell me more. How much experience do you have with studded tires?
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He's nuts. Now might be a good time to buy, because anyone with them wants to get rid of them. But there's no magic in leting them age.
Agreed.
"It is my impression that the manufacturer makes the product and immediately ships to retailers. When I used the tires right after I purchased them I found I lost dozens of studs in the first few uses because the tire was still soft from the manufacturing process. Since I began storing my tires for at least a year before use I have lost no studs when riding."

Follow the manufacturer's recommendations...Nokian says to ride the first 30 miles or so on non-snowy roads with no hard acceleration or braking to minimize the likelihood of stud loss. My Hakkapeliittas haven't lost one stud in three seasons. I aged them like I age my beer. Not at all.
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Agreed.
"It is my impression that the manufacturer makes the product and immediately ships to retailers. When I used the tires right after I purchased them I found I lost dozens of studs in the first few uses because the tire was still soft from the manufacturing process. Since I began storing my tires for at least a year before use I have lost no studs when riding."

Follow the manufacturer's recommendations...Nokian says to ride the first 30 miles or so on non-snowy roads with no hard acceleration or braking to minimize the likelihood of stud loss. My Hakkapeliittas haven't lost one stud in three seasons. I aged them like I age my beer. Not at all.
Interesting comment. The Nokian Hakkapeliitta is not a very aggressively studded tire with only 106 studs compared to the 294 studs on the Nokian Extreme. As such, I imagine that after the 30 mile break in period you did not ride in conditions that may jar studs loose like a lot of fast off road riding on ice or fast riding through frozen footprints and tire tracks on well traveled paths.

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I haven't lost any studs from the Kenda Klondike 26"x2.1" I used last winter, or the Nokian W160 26"x1.95" I'm using this winter -- both I assume to be recent production. Could be that I don't accelerate or brake aggressively...

I'm not sure the guy is "nuts" per se, but Schwalbe studded tires might be the best test for this theory, as they're the ones with the worst reputation for losing studs.
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Tell me more. How much experience do you have with studded tires?
Lots. Studs fall out because the pockets are the wrong size for the stud, or the stud is inserted improperly. The second problem is why there's the 'ride of clear pavement' instruction; clear pavement will push the studs into the holes. Letting tires age won't do much to fix either problem.

His sample size is way to small to be meaningful.
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Interesting comment. The Nokian Hakkapeliitta is not a very aggressively studded tire with only 106 studs compared to the 294 studs on the Nokian Extreme. As such, I imagine that after the 30 mile break in period you did not ride in conditions that may jar studs loose like a lot of fast off road riding on ice or fast riding through frozen footprints and tire tracks on well traveled paths.
You imagine correctly. I use them for their intended purpose...commuting and errand running on plowed roads...though they have seen their share of rutted icy conditions. The OP did not specify what type of studded tire (city, trail, etc).
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I haven't lost any studs from the Kenda Klondike 26"x2.1" I used last winter, or the Nokian W160 26"x1.95" I'm using this winter -- both I assume to be recent production. Could be that I don't accelerate or brake aggressively...

I'm not sure the guy is "nuts" per se, but Schwalbe studded tires might be the best test for this theory, as they're the ones with the worst reputation for losing studs.
I have Schwalbe Marathon Winters. I purchased these in 2011 and used these for the first time on New Year, 2013.

I've lost about 4 studs on the two tires.
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Assuming you need a new set for next year, the only reason to buy studded tires now is if the LBS/web-store is liquidating them to make room for the spring/summer gear.
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Most manufacturers set the studs very sloppy. I purchase mine from a shop that takes each tire individually and inspects and resets each stud that came improperly seated. He guarantees I won't lose any studs on the tires he sells me and he's been right so far. If you just get them and ride on pavement easily for 30 miles or so, it is said to do the same thing as a manual reseating.
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I have Schwalbe Marathon Winters. I purchased these in 2011 and used these for the first time on New Year, 2013.

I've lost about 4 studs on the two tires.
Boom goes the theory.
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rc, on what fenders are you running on your bike that is pictured on your blog? thanks
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I had no losses on the 106s or the 240s. I used them as soon as they came. I did use the caution required by the instructions.
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Nokian 240's now through with their 3rd winter. Installed the tires immediately, checked each stud individually before the first ride and to date have lost NONE. Maybe the snow here in Montreal is just too wimpy to be a problem.
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Boom goes the theory.
And I rode my freshly purchased MW's pretty much all winter and didn't loose a single stud. So there's another nail in that coffin.
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And I rode my freshly purchased MW's pretty much all winter and didn't loose a single stud. So there's another nail in that coffin.
Great feedback. When I get a chance I will update the review. I will make it clear that the recommendation for aging the nokian studded tires is based on my experience using the tires on very aggressive off road single track riding over gravel, roots, rocks, etc.
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I have Schwalbe Marathon Winters. I purchased these in 2011 and used these for the first time on New Year, 2013.

I've lost about 4 studs on the two tires.
I have had Schwalbe Ice Spiker and had no problem for 2 winters. After reinstalling this fall i noticed
two studs missing.

Could it be because i waited late in the spring to remove the studded tires.

Could it be because i over inflated.

I just ordered new studs to fix (wheater prediction indicate no sub-zero (sub-32f) for the next week luckily)

Is there documentation on how to install, remove stud and proper maintenance?

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You want to get your tires ASAP before they sell out for the season.
I've had the Nokian Extreme 294's going on winter #7 . No studs missing, maybe a little worn around the edges but they still work. These tires get me thru 6 to 8 inches of snow before they start squirreling out on me and I have to walk. I've heard the same about 4 inch tires but I have no personal experience with them to make that judgement. But the Nokian Extremes will get you thru about anything.
And no, I didn't do any break-in period with them. I just slapped them on and started riding on them. Thru snow, ice, or dry pavement. They broke themselves in. I have to note though, that I have a second wheelset with the studs mounted on them. I only use them when necessary. I try to avoid excessive dry pavement on them to avoid any additional wear on them. But they are sturdy tires and can handle anything you put them thru.

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I'm not sure the guy is "nuts" per se, but Schwalbe studded tires might be the best test for this theory, as they're the ones with the worst reputation for losing studs.
From a purely scientific standpoint, you'd have to have more than one brand, and ideally a control as well. Schwalbe tires suck in general, so I'm not suprised the studded tires are known for falling apart.
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The Ice Cyclist said to get the best results from Nokian studded tires you need to purchase them a year in advance of when you plan to use them and store them in a cool, dry place.

http://icecyclist.com/?cat=34
This reminds me of a TV interview I saw with Lance Armstrong many years ago, they showed his home and his wine cellar, and in his wine cellar he was aging tires instead of wine! IIRC, he said he let them sit for a year or two before mounting them.

No idea where he got the idea from, but it's quite possible there's some science behind it, because it was during a time when he had some strong backing from the industry. If there really is some benefit to letting your tires age a bit, I have no idea if this would apply particularly to studded tires.

Personally, I don't purposely age tires, but if I spy my favorites on sale I'll stock up and they may end sitting for a year or more. Sometimes I have a spare set sitting around for a build I'm working on that get cannibalized into a replacement for a sidewall tear, both times that has happened those tires were sitting around for close to year. I like to have spares sitting around for when I need them, so I'll likely have replacements for my regular tires "aging" for that long, but given how little use my snow tires will see, and how long they seem to last for people that use them a lot more than I do, I see no point in having a spare set of studded tires waiting in the wings.

I have no idea if my Hakkapelittas got the recommended break-in period, or how much use they've seen, I picked them up last fall from a Craigslist seller who had moved to 700c wheels. I don't recall whether any studs were missing when I inspected them closely when I got them home. I was really looking forward to trying them out, but last winter was one of those where we didn't get any snow at all. I was disappointed!
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All this talk about tire aging has me all excited about swapping out my spares that have been hanging in the shed for two years. Also, glad to read some reviews of the schwalbe's...I nearly just bought a set of the marathon winters.
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The Ice Cyclist said to get the best results from Nokian studded tires you need to purchase them a year in advance of when you plan to use them and store them in a cool, dry place.

http://icecyclist.com/?cat=34
BS. How do you know where your tires have been before you purchased them? They could have been sitting in a 150 or 30 degree warehouse for 3 years or possibly just left the factory last week. Rubbish....
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BS. How do you know where your tires have been before you purchased them? They could have been sitting in a 150 or 30 degree warehouse for 3 years or possibly just left the factory last week. Rubbish....
Curious. What studded tires do you use, what surfaces do you ride on, and what has your experience been?
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I have owned Nashbar studded tires, Nokian Extreme 294 and Nokian Mount and Grounds on ice over the past 11 winters.
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