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    700x23 w/ gnarly tread? Looking for winter wet/slush/frozen hardpack/dirt tire.

    All,

    So I'd like to set up my old Lemond Buenos Aires with fenders to make it a more proper winter and spring training bike. I'm looking at the Crud Road Racer Mk2s.

    The problem is that there's scarcely any clearance on the bike with 25s on it, so I'm going to have to go with 23s, at least on the rear, to get even the slim Cruds on there. With the 25s, for example, I can get a 1 Euro coin between the tire and brake bridge with just a hair to spare, so I'm guessing it's about 2.4-2.5mm clearance. I don't know if that's enough for the Cruds, but I'd be surprised if it works. So, I'm looking to downsize tires, unfortunately (though it is cheaper than buying a new frame, which I can't do right now).

    Ideally I'd like something with a diamond file pattern, such as you'd find on a cyclocross tire, but I can't find a cyclocross tire in a narrow 23. I'd be happy to go with just about anything -- the Vittoria Rubino Pro Tech looks cool-- but don't know what's out there.

    Any tips on 23s with a little textured tread good for cold, slop, slush, and muck?
    Chaad--'95 DeKerf Team SL, '02 Lemond Buenos Aires, '05 Novara Buzz, '73 Schwinn Collegiate, '06 Mountain Cycle Rumble, '09 Dahon Mariner D7, '12 Mercier Nano, '12 Breezer Venturi

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    It's N+1 time .. though the Nokian company of Finland May have some utilitarian training tires .

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    I couldn't even find any decent cross-tires in 28 any more when I looked.

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    The Panaracer Pasela may work, and they're cheap enough it won't sting if they don't.
    Chaad--'95 DeKerf Team SL, '02 Lemond Buenos Aires, '05 Novara Buzz, '73 Schwinn Collegiate, '06 Mountain Cycle Rumble, '09 Dahon Mariner D7, '12 Mercier Nano, '12 Breezer Venturi

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaadster View Post
    The Panaracer Pasela may work, and they're cheap enough it won't sting if they don't.
    The Panaracer Pasela got me through the better part of two Denver winters, as well as a bit of riding on dirt. I did, however, have a backup mountain bike for when the snow was deep (more than about 4").

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaadster View Post
    The Panaracer Pasela may work, and they're cheap enough it won't sting if they don't.
    The Pasela's are probably one of the best options for you.

    If you are wanting to really do some winter riding a new frame and swapping all your old parts over to it could be worth the investment in the long run. You could even find some older road bikes that use 27 1 1/4 wheels/tires, put your 700c wheels on and some long reach brakes and have loads of clearance for very little money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chriskmurray View Post
    The Pasela's are probably one of the best options for you.

    If you are wanting to really do some winter riding a new frame and swapping all your old parts over to it could be worth the investment in the long run. You could even find some older road bikes that use 27 1 1/4 wheels/tires, put your 700c wheels on and some long reach brakes and have loads of clearance for very little money.
    Yeah, I've been considering the options to setting up the Lemond for this, though scavenging the bike for parts is not in the cards, because I like the bike still, and have more occasion to ride it as it is than I do a winter/foul weather road bike.

    My LBS has ordered the Road Racer MK2s for me to test fit; best case is they'll squeeze over the 25s. Next best outcome is that they'll work with 23s, though the narrow width is not ideal. Worst case, they just don't work, in which case I'm off to eBay to sell some stuff and do the N+1 thing. My wife would kill me, but maybe I can get through to summer before she even realizes!

    Fenders come in Tuesday, so I'll update the thread with findings. Thanks all.
    Chaad--'95 DeKerf Team SL, '02 Lemond Buenos Aires, '05 Novara Buzz, '73 Schwinn Collegiate, '06 Mountain Cycle Rumble, '09 Dahon Mariner D7, '12 Mercier Nano, '12 Breezer Venturi

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaadster View Post
    My wife would kill me
    Just convince her how unsafe your current bike is and how one trip the the ER will cost more than the new bike!

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