I have now. Thanks for the enlightenment. Very cool. What got me curious about Trek or any other big name out there is that just about all custom builders refer to these companies as "cookie cutter bicycles" and at first I was kinda on board with'em but later realized that alot of these big names had to start with one person or duo/team effort building their first frame. I guess its a respect thing. I still don't care for Specialized much though, too many people used to beat me on them when I was a beginner.