Elitist? You seriously have no idea what you are talking about.
You give one guy hell for asking about a valuation on a valuation subforum. Now you are giving me a hard time because I backed up a 3 posters? and have the balls to call me an elitist? Whatever.
Bens is a good outfit. They are one our customers. Enjoy the Toshi leather. It's a bit softer leather, but good quality regardless.