I had not looked at Foes before, didn't/doesn't really fit what I am looking for. It's cool that they are making a trail bike, but it still just looks like a shorter travel freeride bike to me. I hate to hash up the terms trail vs. freeride, but a trailbike to me should just be a slightly longer travel, beefier XC bike. The geometry of the foes just looks to slack to me to climb well.