I just picked up two sets of tubular wheels on ebay. They came pre dinged and dented. Its OK, I've been trueing them up and getting them ready to ride. They will be going on bikes that were clincher equipped before. I just like the whole zen-like tubular thing. Gets me in tune with the bike. And getting your wheels right, trueing them, glueing the tires on, the little hops and wiggles of a sewn tire, it gets me THERE.