Thanks.
I have had my bike for a while now and had the bars low with an unsightly knob on the steerer. The reach was wrong for riding in an upright position, (although it is impossible to work out the correct angles, your body tells you where it wants the bar). When I added butterfly's it bought the reach about 2 inches towards me. I was so chuffed I ordered the knob to be cut off the stem. It wasn't until I rode it that for quite a few k that I realised my torso needed to be off balance to reach the bar.. (propped by it).