I tried mapmyride.com and it gives pretty much what the Google maps gives. Actually it's not as good as Google maps, unless I'm not turning something on? I see the option for "elevation", but that's about it. Again, I'm interested in "elevation gain". The other sites are abit of a learning curve on them and in the end I don't know if I'll get what I want or not. And no I don't want to ride the route to get it documented and annualized.