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Old 02-25-13, 10:07 PM
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Thanks Andy, those are some really good explanations. I never gave the seat tube angle much thought in regards to saddle to bb distance/angle. I admit I did shift my saddle forward to see if it would help my reach.

My drops have 75mm reach and the stem is 90mm. Not as short as possible, but already on the shorter side of average. I have tried changing the number of spacers and flipping the stem to increase the height and bring it closer to me, but it just wasn't enough. It feels so close, but not quite. It looks like you dropped your effective top tube length by about 40mm. That is what it feels like I need in order for mine to fit better.

I guess the consensus here is that the Surly is too big and I should look for a smaller frame.
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