I always seem to fall back to Bens too. Come Feb '14 I'm looking to spend $3,000-4000. I've been looking at Gunnar quite a bit seeing as how I'm not far away. On the other hand, Gunnar/Waterford make the Milwaukee Bicycle Co. Bikes, and at my price point, I'm thinking I could get a sweet setup. I still keep my loyalty to Broken Spoke, and after looking at Raleigh (the only road specific bikes they carry) I'm liking the, more and more. Good thing I have time lol!