Originally Posted by squirtdad

No intent on suggesting that you raise your bars. Just sharing my experience....that for me a swift worked with low (for me) bars and the B17 and B17n didn't. The other seat I have used for a long time is a selle italia tubor from '89. looking at this, I am prettty sure that I need a more rounded top of the seat . Which is why I went swivt, not pro for my road bike.

other people seem to be just fine with as b17 and low bars... not me.

Bottom line getting a fitting saddle is less science and more art.....and sometimes a pain