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Old 05-22-14, 10:57 AM
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I've also had good success pretreating with liquid dish detergent applied straight and rubbed in a bit. But you need to rinse most of it out because if foams like crazy and modern washers don't handle suds well (suds overwork the drain pump).

The real key is not to wash stained clothes hot, because this can set the stain.
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