Originally Posted by
Wspsux
Wouldn't they be biased?
it would be pretty poor salesmanship not to be.
third party info seems best.
It all depends on the questions you ask. They can't lie and say it's the equivalent of Reynolds 725 when it was actually drawn out in a milking shed out the back end of China somewhere, and I'm sure you're smart enough to see through generalist comments that don't tell you anything such as 'butted tubes for outstanding ride'.
Generally speaking, good quality products have their manufacturer's name on them. 4130 tubing tells you stuff all ... so why are you imaging it'll be as good as any product from Reynolds or Tange?
You can also do a search (pause for shock and horror to subside) and discover what people on this forum have had to say about their All City bikes.
BTW, it's the middle of the night and I'm damned near dead with the flu so it's possible I'm not as diplomatic as I could be