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Originally Posted by unworthy1 View Post
AVA were the so-called "death stems", specifically those open at the back of the horizontal arm...there were similar looking ATAX and PIVO but none from those makers had the bad rep that AVA did. AFAIK Philippe were also never a problem and certainly these "fully closed" models were stronger based on design alone... BUT that said ANY stem could be broken if you really tried!
That's it!......AVA!
I think the Philippes were just as reliable as Cinelli A1s.
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