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Old 06-20-16, 09:19 PM
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Well, If you want me to explain what a putz I am, here's the full backstory

Watched the frame for 3 auction cycles and on the 3rd cycle the price finally dropped enough I was interested and I asked the seller for more pics and whether any dents or cracks existed. Seller claimed nothing significant was wrong with the frame, no dents or cracks existed, and eventually sent more pics, albeit blurry. In hindsight they may've been strategically blurry on purpose, I'll never know. Maybe it was a scam and the seller had 99.8% positive feedback with way more sales/buys than me because they're good at negotiating their scams? Anyway, I bid, I won, and they shipped.

Got the frame, within 2-3 minutes of partial unpack I noticed the damage shown above so I filed a "not as described" claim. Full disclosure: In hundreds of sales/buys on eBay I've never been worked-over as a buyer and I was just walking away from a situation where a buyer tried to screw me on something I sold which I knew was 100% perfectly OK (had video proof it was OK when shipped), so I had a little extra empathy for the seller knowing they told me early on they knew little or nothing about bikes and they didn't see the damage before shipping. Am I a sucker? Probably, but I tend to hope for the best in people and I'm an optimist when it comes to other humans. Blame it on my folks for instilling values and empathy in me during my youth.

Still, for the sake of justice, I went ahead with a dispute with seller over the ~$90 I had in the frame and shipping because I didn't want to walk away totally out-of-pocket. I wasn't sure who was at fault in this case. Was I at fault for not asking for a 2nd or 3rd round of clearer pictures which the seller may not have been able to provide? Or was the seller at fault due to their ignorance of bikes? Or was it a little of both? I dunno, I saw the dropout in the auction, so I knew it at least had something going on, but didn't expect what I got. I could've been a prick and said it's totally their fault, then really stuck it to them, but that's not my style. I opted to try for a break-even to both of us - that's me, always looking for a positive outcome.

First round of negotiating, the seller offered some penny-ante BS number back like $25, acting pissed as if I was trying to scam them, claiming "I had to know what I was getting into" (in my gut, I felt like I did, but wasn't totally sure). After some back and forth we finally came to a point where they offered ~$45 back, which was half of auction close, and I thought I could work with that number. I figured someone may want this project for $45 given it's not very banged up and looks salvageable (to me). If not, I could always part and possibly make $30-40ish bucks after shipping, which would get me within a few bucks of where I needed to be.

The seller claimed after we settled up that they really didn't have time to deal with negotiating because of medical issues; maybe it was legit, maybe not. Again, am I a sucker? Possible. Does the situation suck? Yes. Do I assume we've all been in this position at one point? Probably. Was there another way to handle it? I dunno, I'm not 100% versed in how to really stick it to someone with eBay so I'll be honest: I don't know which rights I could've exercised or what to expect. I wasn't aware eBay would force the seller to pay for return shipping.

I assumed I'd be out $30 on the return if I went to eBay with the claim and I'd have nothing to show for it, so I figured at least having the F&F and $45 in-hand gave me the potential to break even. I hoped someone else may want this as a project, it still seems like a decent Reynolds frame. The seller had respectable positive feedback and no clear history of scamming people or I'd have behaved very differently. I've read the lengthy threads on BF C&V about legit members I've bought/sold with here who have been totally screwed through 'not as described' claims and that weighed heavy on my mind the whole time, I don't want to be that person.

So, long story short, here you have me trying to offload a frame and fork with complete Stronglight BB and HS for $45 because I got shafted and hope to (but don't expect to) break even on it.

If you need to do any fact-checking feel free to check out item 252395939024 and you'll see I'm offering up full disclosure here. I can post screencaps of the back-and-forth with the seller if it compels anyone. In the auction you see the slightly opened DO slot is clear... The rest of the follow-up pics from the seller are in my eBay messages UI which the public can't see readily, so I realize there's an entire behind-the-scenes here not privy to everyone.

As much as I realize posting this will make me look like an ass or a full-on sucker, I'd rather fully disclose it to a potential buyer than not. If the eBay seller in this case was actually scamming me, I'd rather not to do the same to whoever potentially may buy this, so... There you have it.

Last edited by francophile; 06-21-16 at 07:58 AM. Reason: Clarified some bits.
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