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Old 04-12-17, 02:08 PM
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From my doorstop to the campground at Forest Falls (just below the Vivian Creek Trailhead) it's just a hair over 21 miles... with 4,600ft of vertical. I end up using 3 bottles on the way up, refill at a friend's house right below the campground, and can usually make it home on 2 bottles, as there's a whole bunch of coasting.

I still consider 38/Valley of the Falls to be much tougher than GMR/GRR. There are flat bits and even little descents to catch your breath on GMR. Once you pass the ranger station on 38, it's uphill until the road ends.
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