I took my son to buy non-bike shoes yesterday and while he was deciding between stripes or no stripes on the side of the overpriced sneakers he was deliberating over I nosed around to see what else they had on the shelf. What caught my attention was the skateboard shoes, the Vans in particular - stiff sole, grippy rubber, low profile... anyway, they seemed to me to be a viable option for a touring shoe. (I think I recall them being brought up as an option on BF before, but it was the first time I'd seen them in person.) For fifty bucks or so, they're a bit more frugal than the Shimano mountain bike shoes I currently use myself. And they have a stiffer lower than the Montrails I use for riding on flats. Anyone have any experience with these for distances longer than a dozen miles?