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Originally Posted by merziac
So no expert here, but most frames from quality companies were built in the same factories at this time in Japan. Almost all of them are very good quality for production frames, especially when good tubing was used. The Japanese really had it down by this time and most of those frames are still in use today from most of the companies we know and love, Schwinn, Diamond Back, Centurion, Bridgestone, Specialized, Miyata, Univega, Bianchi and the list goes on and on and on. Spacialized had a big hand in this as they sent two of the best in the business in Merz and DiNucci there to get them making quality frames since they had the factories, but didn't understand how to achieve much higher quality in what they were already doing. Once they got it we have 10,000's of well priced quality frames to this day, still do even though production has long since moved to Taiwan where they still make very good quality at pricepoints that are doable and a great value albeit cookie cutter.
This bike was the move to Taiwan. Japan was great for all the lugged bikes of the time that you listed, but TIG'd bikes were more of a Taiwanese specialty at a time when Japanese production bikes were going away. I think the lugged, Japanese bikes died with the Centurion brand name. My first shop job was in 1990 at a DB/Centurion dealer.

This was not a time when anyone seemed to care about weight very much - heavy frames, heavy components.
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