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Velocity Dyads might be a better comparison to Archetypes. Both are non-tubeless, and while light, don't make weight-weenieness the top priority. So they're a little cheaper.

At A23 levels of money, I'd consider the Pacenti Forza. Wider, deeper, with a more modern aero profile, at not much of a weight penalty (~35g). And sharing tubeless compatibility and off-center options.
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