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Old 06-18-19, 11:41 AM
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NeoY2k
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Yep pretty much.
The new bike with 80mm stem +6 and 40mm spacers has 448mm reach and 643mm stack. Previous bike was 440 reach and 643 stack.
But new bike feels shorter, which seems reasonable given it has steeper seat tube. I tried it with a 110mm stem as I felt cramped, and while it is really nice on a day ride, after 3 days on the road it felt too long.

Currently trying a 100mm redshift stem. It does help with vibration. With vibration out of the way, it highlights its geometry funkiness.
With a 75 seat tube angle and 73 head tube angle, it is pretty twitchy at low speeds, and I have the saddle slid rearward to compensate for the seat tube angle.

That seems pretty agressive for loaded touring.
Considering a frame swap to a Genesis Croix de Fer, but felt their ride pretty uninspiring. Though, at least, nothing wrong with their handling or position on the bike.
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