A lot of our KOMs are busted because of the Redlands Classic. Up Oak Glen I can do 31 (4 w/kg), Gaimon has that at 20:40 @5.4 w/kg. The fastest people in our club that's not a pro or former pro can do 28. Its a Cat 2 climb and I'm sure the pack helps but the average weekend warrior isn't in their league and Redlands Classic is to Cycling what AA Minor Leagues are to Baseball.