Old 10-15-19, 04:29 PM
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hey there NC, there is also a waterproof seatbag by arkel that looks like a carradice, look them up, might be a lighter, waterproof option.

for Ortliebs, the Plus models do weigh less than the classic material. Do a search for the ortlieb chart that shows the weights and voloumes of all of their products.

I still find it handy to have 4 panniers to have ample room for extra water and food.
Oh, and there are those more simple but light city panniers, no inner pouch and simpler but you cant attach a rackpack like I do.
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