i don't think these guys got/get the notoriety of popularity that other bands of the era did/do. at least, not this early line up. but, for the era, they were so different, in my book. years ago, i played a track off their first album "trespass" for a young man half my age. i thought he might appreciate the talent and history. all he did was laugh. i get it, though. so foreign to his ears. his favorite band was "system of down". <<< meh