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Wiring up a dyno powered lighting system with USB charger

In this thread I describe how I wired up my dynohub wiring for headlight, taillight, and dyno powered USB charger. And why I made some of the choices that I made. I am not saying this is the best way to do it, I am just saying this is how I did it and I am pleased with the results. So, if you are looking for ideas, this thread may provide a few.

This is a very long post, I tried to balance brevity with completeness. I expect that only a few will read all of this unless they plan to wire up a dyno powered lighting system.

In late 2015 I bought the frame and fork for a Velo Orange Pass Hunter, rim brake version and built it up in early 2016. That model was described as a randonneuring bike frame with cantilever brake mounts. Initially I was looking for a home for a lot of parts that I had stripped off of a touring bike that had a defective frame. Initially I put wheels on the Pass Hunter that I had built up in 2004 without a dynohub. In early 2017, I decided to put a dynohub wheel on the bike. Initially I only wired the bike for headlight, but later put a temporary rack mounted dyno powered taillight on the bike. And a few weeks ago I installed a fender mounted dyno powered taillight on the bike for permanent use. I consider this project to now be complete, or as complete as bike projects get. So, now is the time to show off my project.

I also have a Sinewave Revolution USB charger on the bike, but I consider that temporary. I bought and use the Sinewave, along with an external pass through cache battery for bike touring. But when I am not touring, instead of putting the Sinewave in storage, I put it on the Pass Hunter in case I want to charge up a powerbank for my GPS.
https://www.sinewavecycles.com/produ...ave-revolution

There are many options for taillight mounting. Mounting on a seatstay, a rack, a seatpost, or fender. Sometimes I have a rack fitted to this bike, sometimes not, but always have fenders on it. Thus, a fender mount made the most sense to me.

There are many options for how to run the wire to a fender mounted taillight, I chose gluing it inside the fender. In the past Kingston on this forum has cited using a foil HVAC tape to tape wire inside a fender. Others have used fenders that had metal strips sandwiched in the plastic fender and used the metal for a conductor, and some have used wire inside a rolled edge on a metal fender. And there probably are other options too that I had not run across.

Initially I only used a battery powered taillight on this bike, I often use a battery powered taillight during daytime in flash mode, thus I still have a battery taillight on the bike for that purpose.

First photo, the bike:




Second photo, below. The dynohub is an SP PV-8. I bought my first dynohub in spring 2013 to use on a touring bike, have been very happy with it, so bought a second one of the same make and model.
https://www.sp-dynamo.com/series8-pv8

For wiring from the hub to fork crown, I used a twisted pair of single conductor wires attached to the fork with zip ties, did not use the stock B&M wire. In the past there were a few times when I snagged and damaged a wire for a wired bike computer, I wanted heavier duty wire than the stock B&M wire for that reason. I am not sure what gauge wire I used, I think somewhere between 18 and 22.

Most dynohubs do not include the skewer, SP does not. Although most thieves in my community do not know what a dynohub is, there might be a few that might want to take the wheel. I assume most thieves are opportunists, for that reason I usually use a bolt on skewer instead of a quick release on dynohub wheels. And to make sure that decision does not cause me any grief later, I also pack a 5mm allen wrench with my spare tube for when I get a flat.




Third photo, the taillight is a Spanninga Pixeo, with optional wire guard.
https://spanninga.com/product/pixeo/

If anyone buys that light, make sure you check the light beam pattern before you decide where to drill holes in your fender. The beam does not have a lot of height, thus it needs careful aim when mounting on the fender so that you do not mount it too high or too low. I put a 4 volt DC power supply on the wires to power it to determine where on the fender to mount it to get a horizontal light beam.




Fourth photo, I glued the wire to the inside of the fender. Three years ago I did that on a different bike and the glue is still holding well, so did the same on this bike. The glue I used is shown in the photo, I chose that based on a recommendation on a different bike forum three years ago, the recommendation cited the flexible material and ability to grip on almost any surface, is waterproof, and easy water based cleanup before it set. It comes in clear or white, I used clear. The clear is white when it comes out of the tube but the whiteness disappears when it has set if you buy the clear variety.

Used a two conductor wire, slightly heavier than B&M wire. The wire was salvaged from a charger for something that I had previously discarded. Note that I used clothespins as gluing clamps. They worked great, two packets at Dollar Tree was more than enough. But it is best to remove them after about 2 or 3 hours after you are done gluing before they become too difficult to remove. I let the glue set for several days before re-installing the fender on the bike.




About a week after I glued the wiring and reassembled the bike, I did a bit of touch up gluing where the wire was not as well attached to the fender as I wanted. This time used wax paper to keep the clothespins from sticking since there were only a few spots.

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Fifth photo. I wanted to make sure that if I had to remove the light for a repair later, that I could do so. Thus I left a spare inch or two of wire under the fender so that the light could be removed and have exposed wire between the fender and light. The spare wire is covered with electrical tape, probably will have to renew the tape every few years. If the light fails and I need to replace it with a new one, the extra wire will make it much easier to do so.

You can see a bit of white color on some of the wiring, that was some of my touch up gluing that had not set yet.

I used blue (removable) threadlocker on the fender bolt to make sure it does not vibrate loose, the bolt was not long enough for a nylock nut. And used an M5 stainless nut so that it is less likely to rust onto the mounting bolt. On a different light I had bad luck using the B&M nuts on a B&M taillight, the nut rusted tightly to a mounting bolt, thus here I was careful to use stainless.




Sixth photo, the wire exits the fender through a drilled hole just above the non-drive side chain stay and extends down below the bottom bracket. By running the wire through a hole, it is less likely that I could tear the wire off of the glue holding it to the fender if I snagged it on something.

In this photo you can see some red zip ties on the downtube, they hold the taillight wire under the downtube.




Seventh photo. The wire goes under the bottom bracket. I installed connectors in the wiring so that I could disconnect the wiring in the event that I needed to do a repair or remove the fender. The bike was upside down for this photo.

Since B&M wire and lights used 2.8mm spade connectors, I bought spare connectors of the same type to use as quick connectors. I also used these same 2.8mm spade connectors at the fork crown and so that I can easily remove my Sinewave Revolution USB Charger.




Eighth photo. The wire is attached under the downtube with zip ties. That wire is the same wire that I used inside the fender, two conductor wire that is a bit heavier than B&M wire. Near the fork crown, I wrapped the wire around an 8mm allen wrench in a coiled shape so that I could dip the coiled wire on the allen wrench into a cup of hot (nearly boiling) water for about 10 seconds, then dipped that in cold water for maybe a half minute to cool. That was enough to set the plastic insulation in a coiled shape. The purpose of the coiled shape is so that the wire is somewhat elastic when the fork turns to the right or left. So far the coiled shape of the wire is holding nicely, hopefully that coiled shape will be retained over the years.

Also note in this photo that I have a pair of 2.8mm spade connectors at the fork crown on the wire that extends up from the hub, attached to the fork with zip ties.




Ninth photo. The headlight is mounted on a brake cantilever mount. It would have been easier to mount the light on the fork crown, but that is already used for the canti brake cable hanger, that is why I mounted the light in an alternative place. The brake mounting bolt was not long enough to be safely used, I used galvanized threaded rod and several nuts and washers instead. The light mount is an extra tall Edelux light mount, slightly straightened to get the light up higher above the fender and also move the rear of the light further above any tire spray on wet days. Used blue (removable) threadlocker and made sure that these nuts are all very tight, I do not want this to loosen since my front brake uses the same mount as the light.

The light is the B&M IQ-XS. I find this light is a nice compromise on price, metal housing for ruggedness, small, and at 70 Lux I believe that the light is adequate. There are brighter lights out there, some with more even light patterns, etc. But, this was good enough for me and I wanted a small light for a lot of clearance since the handlebar bag bounces up and down a bit when I hit sudden potholes.
https://www.bumm.de/en/products/dyna...di-silber.html




Tenth photo. I have the Sinewave Revolution wired in parallel with the light, the Sinewave is the white box on the right side of my handlebar bag bracket. The USB port is aimed down so rainwater can't collect in the USB port. In the photo I have a black coiled USB cable running from the Sinewave into my handlebar bag where I have a pass through cache battery. I used the same 2.8mm spade connectors on the Sinewave wiring that I used elsewhere so that I can easily remove the Sinewave and reconnect the light wiring directly to the hub wiring without the Sinewave in the circuit.

My GPS is not a cycling model, it does not play well directly with the Sinewave Revolution, I use a powerbank in the handlebar bag as a pass through cache battery. I can charge the NiMH batteries in the GPS from the powerbank whether I am rolling or stationary.

A USB charger like the Sinewave is not needed on a rando bike, but since I already owned it, I felt I might as well use it. Thus I do not bother to charge up my GPS battery indoors at home, do that on the bike as I ride.



The bike has been a work in progress for five years, four with the dynohub. With brake cables, a shifter cable, the wiring for lights, wiring for the USB charger, plus a wired bike computer, the wires and cabling look a bit busy between the front wheel and handlebars. But, I have not figured out a way to make that less so. I could use some shrink tubing, maybe in a few years I will experiment with that. But for now I am quite happy with the wiring I have here and I anticipate no changes.

I expect questions. But if your question is a basic one on dyno powered lights, I would suggest you first check Peter White's website. His discussion on the topic is very good and he is more knowledgeable than I am on the topic:
https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/

I will watch for questions and plan to answer them once or twice a day. If there is a question posted months from now and if I do not reply quickly, I am probably traveling as I do not check this forum when traveling. But I should get to it eventually.

To reiterate, I am not saying this is the best way to do it, but it works for me and I am pretty happy with it.

And, yes, I know that kickstands on rando bikes are not cool, but I like the convenience.
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