Originally Posted by cyccommute

While I agree that cyclist can ride up and down hills, terrain can be an important factor applying the Amsterdam and Copenhagen models elsewhere. Getting large parts of the population out of cars is harder if they have to climb hills to get to work. Local weather is another factor. I was lucky enough to have showers at my work place but, even then, I had to wake at 500 to leave at 630 to arrive by 730 to have time to shower before work at 800. It takes a lot of dedication to do that day in and day out for 40 years.