Nice, ride thanks for sharing. Looking back on what I was trying to get out of my original post, is on the current Ciocc website if you look up under the vintage models and find the geometry chart. You will see the claim made that the geometry is the original as when first made?? Since we all know that Ciocc had at least three different sets of builders/owners, through the years seems a forest to think that they followed the same geometry as listed now? Best road195