I have to say that for me every ride is different. Some days I am great and some days there is no relief. I recently bought a lovely gravel bike. The saddle looked great(we are talking about a $3000 bike here and Canyon did not cheap out on the saddle) It didn't work for me and I spent plenty of time tweaking my fit. So, I looked through my saddle bin and found a Nashbar road saddle that I bought almost 20 years ago for about $18 and thought "why not?". Much better. To be fair I have been using the second $18 saddle on another road bike for years so there was no big risk. Anyway, I was able to trade that saddle from my Canyon to my son for a very nice saddle that didn't work for him, but it works fine for me. So now my new bike doesn't have an $18 Bike Nashbar saddle any more but I have a spare for my other bike that has a very worn one
About shorts, I have many pairs of very high end shorts and bibs. Some days they are fine, other days not so much
Last edited by alcjphil; 07-16-22 at 04:50 PM.